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MARCUSDJACKSON on 19 November 2011

nice 360. can't say it wasn't expected. well M5 looks like history repeated its self. expect 360 to be on top next wk. likely not by 100k but its possible.

Reach impressive numbers 100k. UC3 still holding its own. will sell 2m before yrs end. likely 300k again next wk.

the black friday war will be interesting. if MS was hoping for MW3 to give them the edge then in the second wk of Nov. its looking possible. the PS360 gap 2.6m. Dec. will be interesting to see. i'm looking forward to next wk to see if the Skyrim MW3 boost holds. last 2 wks of Nov. looks to go to MS.



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KillerMan on 19 November 2011
Reasonable said:
pezus said:
D-Joe said:
Shinobi-san said:
Now that i checked the region numbers i see 360 had a massive increase in EMEAA, while ps3 had a very minor increase...

well it dropped last week

and 40~50k gap not really close,and should be 100k+ again later

Considering it was 100k last week I think it's pretty close. As far as I know there wasn't a special edition 360 this week in EMEAA, or was there?

There was.  MW3 bundle in all main European countries I believe.  As I noted in a few of the prediction threads while MS is clearly looking to avoid an official RRP price drop they're going to use bundles and deals to effectively aggresively reduce the price to the consumer or appeal to the CoD fanbase to drive their holiday spike.

Not there's anything wrong with that, PS3 will have deals, etc. too - but I always feel MS does a better job of judging which bundles/deals to drive maximum return in the countries 360 is popular in and sees a bigger return.

That said with a SW title over 100K in Japan and huge MW3 numbers for PS3 in EMEAA matching those of 360 I'm a little surprised the PS3 saw no real boost in those territories.  The 360 numbers make sense, and given the lack of MW3 bundles for PS3 I didn't expect it to match 360 boost wise anywhere, but it does seem to have seen particularly weak boosts nonetheless.

Still - I can't complain, things are heading to the virtual (and sure to be entertaining) tie for HW for the year with 360 sure to do more over the holidays.  The forums are going to be interesting place for the next few weeks.


I really wouldn't go that far yet. This was after all the launch week of MW3 that pushed the HW sales astronomically high for X360. Next week there is gonna be a drop and after that it gets interesting. Overall nice to see huge HW numbers again. 3DS is probably going to win holiday sales. Two mario games will give it nice boost in west and in Japan it's really going to explode in December.



Reasonable on 19 November 2011
KillerMan said:
Reasonable said:
pezus said:
D-Joe said:
Shinobi-san said:
Now that i checked the region numbers i see 360 had a massive increase in EMEAA, while ps3 had a very minor increase...

well it dropped last week

and 40~50k gap not really close,and should be 100k+ again later

Considering it was 100k last week I think it's pretty close. As far as I know there wasn't a special edition 360 this week in EMEAA, or was there?

There was.  MW3 bundle in all main European countries I believe.  As I noted in a few of the prediction threads while MS is clearly looking to avoid an official RRP price drop they're going to use bundles and deals to effectively aggresively reduce the price to the consumer or appeal to the CoD fanbase to drive their holiday spike.

Not there's anything wrong with that, PS3 will have deals, etc. too - but I always feel MS does a better job of judging which bundles/deals to drive maximum return in the countries 360 is popular in and sees a bigger return.

That said with a SW title over 100K in Japan and huge MW3 numbers for PS3 in EMEAA matching those of 360 I'm a little surprised the PS3 saw no real boost in those territories.  The 360 numbers make sense, and given the lack of MW3 bundles for PS3 I didn't expect it to match 360 boost wise anywhere, but it does seem to have seen particularly weak boosts nonetheless.

Still - I can't complain, things are heading to the virtual (and sure to be entertaining) tie for HW for the year with 360 sure to do more over the holidays.  The forums are going to be interesting place for the next few weeks.


I really wouldn't go that far yet. This was after all the launch week of MW3 that pushed the HW sales astronomically high for X360. Next week there is gonna be a drop and after that it gets interesting. Overall nice to see huge HW numbers again. 3DS is probably going to win holiday sales. Two mario games will give it nice boost in west and in Japan it's really going to explode in December.


Yeah, I probably stated that to definatively.  I should say I think 360 will outsell PS3 over holidays although I think EMEAA and Japan will keep PS3 close enough that WW will come close to a tie.  I still favour the PS3 to be ahead WW for 2011 but it's going to be close and I can see 360 reaching a draw.

But... all speculation of course as you note and far from a given.

I do wonder how things would be if PS3 had a MW3 bundle in EMEAA.  I'm presuming MS paid to have exclusive WW bundle so it was probably impossible but on these numbers it's likely PS3 would have remained even closer to 360 with such a bundle in EMEAA.



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enrageorange on 19 November 2011
goforgold said:
sega4life said:
Said it before and again:

Xbox 360 + No Price Cut + Six Years Old + Half a Million Sales + Before Black Friday = AMAZING!

you know I've never understood this "no price cut" stuff

when the ps3 outsold the 360 being  $100-200 more, that's a impressive sales considering the price difference

but the 360 is currently one of, if not the least expensive console on the market and have been so since 2008, and has been at the mass market price point longer than any console this gen, ps3 JUST went below 300 dollars and it still isn't 199, but the 360 has been there since 08 and that's was *counts on fingers* 3 years ago (when the cheapest ps3 was $400)

The thing is though since the ps3 pricecut, in the only place we get average console price data, from the npd, the 360 is selling at a higher average price then the ps3 despite being a year older and having a console priced at supposed "mass market" price, which as it turns out is selling much worse then the other skus considering Npd revealed the average 360 was selling for around 280$ in America in September. Idk if they revealed the average price in october.

I don't think people realize mass market price isn't just some magic number for all consoles. It heavily depends on what people value the product they are buying. I firmly believe that was $300. I don't think the ps3 at $200 will not experience anywhere near the sales explosion it did when the price went down to $300 at the slim launch, at least not in western countries.



Shinobi-san on 19 November 2011
KillerMan said:
Reasonable said:
pezus said:
D-Joe said:
Shinobi-san said:
Now that i checked the region numbers i see 360 had a massive increase in EMEAA, while ps3 had a very minor increase...

well it dropped last week

and 40~50k gap not really close,and should be 100k+ again later

Considering it was 100k last week I think it's pretty close. As far as I know there wasn't a special edition 360 this week in EMEAA, or was there?

There was.  MW3 bundle in all main European countries I believe.  As I noted in a few of the prediction threads while MS is clearly looking to avoid an official RRP price drop they're going to use bundles and deals to effectively aggresively reduce the price to the consumer or appeal to the CoD fanbase to drive their holiday spike.

Not there's anything wrong with that, PS3 will have deals, etc. too - but I always feel MS does a better job of judging which bundles/deals to drive maximum return in the countries 360 is popular in and sees a bigger return.

That said with a SW title over 100K in Japan and huge MW3 numbers for PS3 in EMEAA matching those of 360 I'm a little surprised the PS3 saw no real boost in those territories.  The 360 numbers make sense, and given the lack of MW3 bundles for PS3 I didn't expect it to match 360 boost wise anywhere, but it does seem to have seen particularly weak boosts nonetheless.

Still - I can't complain, things are heading to the virtual (and sure to be entertaining) tie for HW for the year with 360 sure to do more over the holidays.  The forums are going to be interesting place for the next few weeks.


I really wouldn't go that far yet. This was after all the launch week of MW3 that pushed the HW sales astronomically high for X360. Next week there is gonna be a drop and after that it gets interesting. Overall nice to see huge HW numbers again. 3DS is probably going to win holiday sales. Two mario games will give it nice boost in west and in Japan it's really going to explode in December.

I think Reasonable is right. 360 will surely do more over the holidays, i think most people on here knows that. The only debatable issue is by how much more. 360 has amazing momentum in the americas at the moment, ps3 has japan and emeaa. The main difference is the buying power of the US market over the holiday periods which is more than that of emeaa, and japan becomes negligible over the holidays, except for the launch week of FF13-2.

Its not also about how well the systems do in their respective strong regions but how badly they do in their week regions. I think ps3 is weaker in the US than the 360 is in emeaa. I mean ps3 only recently took over the 360 in that region in LTD sales. Whereas the 360 has a big lead over ps3 and that lead is growing fast.



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Pokemonbrawlvg on 19 November 2011

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mantlepiecek on 19 November 2011
enrageorange said:
goforgold said:
sega4life said:
Said it before and again:

Xbox 360 + No Price Cut + Six Years Old + Half a Million Sales + Before Black Friday = AMAZING!

you know I've never understood this "no price cut" stuff

when the ps3 outsold the 360 being  $100-200 more, that's a impressive sales considering the price difference

but the 360 is currently one of, if not the least expensive console on the market and have been so since 2008, and has been at the mass market price point longer than any console this gen, ps3 JUST went below 300 dollars and it still isn't 199, but the 360 has been there since 08 and that's was *counts on fingers* 3 years ago (when the cheapest ps3 was $400)

The thing is though since the ps3 pricecut, in the only place we get average console price data, from the npd, the 360 is selling at a higher average price then the ps3 despite being a year older and having a console priced at supposed "mass market" price, which as it turns out is selling much worse then the other skus considering Npd revealed the average 360 was selling for around 280$ in America in September. Idk if they revealed the average price in october.

That's in the US. And it was only for the month of the price cut. I believe that month also saw gears of war 3 bundles which were priced at $400.



thismeintiel on 19 November 2011
Seece said:
thismeintiel said:

Going to post this in here, just in case EMEAA thread dies.

"I also have to say, not really buying the 360 Skyrim outsold the PS3 Skyrim by ~100K, either. Just look at Oblivion for my reasoning. Oblivion launched in EMEAA a little over a year late on the PS3. At that time the 360 outnumbered the PS3 by ~2.3 million in those regions. Yet, Oblivion on the 360 only outsold the PS3 version by 190K. So here we are, when the PS3 outnumbers the 360 by ~4.4 million units, and the games are launching on the exact same day, yet the 360 version somehow outsells the PS3 version. Just not seeing how that's possible."

Edit: This is just for EMEAA.

UK Skyrim sales were 65% to like 23% to X360? Judging by that, that's high even for UK, I fail to see PS3 Skyrim dominating 360 version anywhere enough to have a lead.

Not to mention there are skus of games that sell better on PS3 in AMERICAS, where the 360 has a 11 mill lead ... seriously, some games just sell better than the other version no matter what country. Stop coming up with this rubbish simply because you don't like the numbers.

Rubbish?  Did I just pull that out of my ass with nothing to back it up?  No.  I used the sales of previous game in the series, as well as install base at the time.  Does it mean I'm correct?  Of course not.  But it is far from a rubbish observation.



 

Seece on 19 November 2011
thismeintiel said:
Seece said:
thismeintiel said:

Going to post this in here, just in case EMEAA thread dies.

"I also have to say, not really buying the 360 Skyrim outsold the PS3 Skyrim by ~100K, either. Just look at Oblivion for my reasoning. Oblivion launched in EMEAA a little over a year late on the PS3. At that time the 360 outnumbered the PS3 by ~2.3 million in those regions. Yet, Oblivion on the 360 only outsold the PS3 version by 190K. So here we are, when the PS3 outnumbers the 360 by ~4.4 million units, and the games are launching on the exact same day, yet the 360 version somehow outsells the PS3 version. Just not seeing how that's possible."

Edit: This is just for EMEAA.

UK Skyrim sales were 65% to like 23% to X360? Judging by that, that's high even for UK, I fail to see PS3 Skyrim dominating 360 version anywhere enough to have a lead.

Not to mention there are skus of games that sell better on PS3 in AMERICAS, where the 360 has a 11 mill lead ... seriously, some games just sell better than the other version no matter what country. Stop coming up with this rubbish simply because you don't like the numbers.

Rubbish?  Did I just pull that out of my ass with nothing to back it up?  No.  I used the sales of previous game in the series, as well as install base at the time.  Does it mean I'm correct?  Of course not.  But it is far from a rubbish observation.

Yeah rubbish, you know as much as I do it's a weak argument and the only 'proof' we have of EMEAA Skyrim sales is that the 360 version obliterated the PS3 version in the UK.



 

sethnintendo on 19 November 2011
hatmoza said:
sethnintendo said:
hatmoza said:
360 will own the holiday.


Little early to make that call.  Just wait till MK7 drops.  I believe 3DS is going to have a top notch holiday season and put the entire doom crowd back in their shit hole that they crawled out of.  Anyways, I believe the holiday season is still up for grabs and that no company is going to own the competition this holiday season.


 No need to get so defensive. All I said is 360 is going to own and you jump on a hater bandwagon cursing people back to their shitholes.

That shithole comment was for the gaming "journalist" that believed hand-helds are doomed because of smartphones.  It wasn't a defensive remark to anything you said.  Basically, I was trying to call out all the people that thought the 3DS / hand-helds were doomed.  I should have probably just posted that separate considering my main point to you was that the 360 won't own the market this holiday season.  Will it do well? I am sure.  However, I still don't think it will be the top selling console during the holiday season.  Also, I don't even know when the holiday season officially starts (I assume Black Friday).