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Hyruken said:
Not shocked at the 360 numbers, but shocked at the people crying about it....

It happens every year in the build up to the holidays, you think people would learn by now.

Also just thought i would add something to the whole "Europe" thing. In case you have not heard countries like Spain,France,Italy,Greece and now maybe Germany are in financial trouble. In Spain 40% of ages 16-35 are out of a job. That is the gaming audience. I am surprised that the numbers for all the consoles are that high right now in europe considering the eurozone issues.

The sad thing is the numbers will continue to mirror last years and the year before that, and the year before that but yet people will still cry undertrackz for da ps3!! Sony never wins the holidays. Feck even November last year in the NPD 360 sold 1.4m and the PS3 sold only 500k. An almost 900k gap just from that one month.

I think very few people honestly expected PS3 to be doing better then 360 in the run up to holidays.

Bolded: I see an error in your reasoning.

Why don't you list EMEAA numbers for November last year while you're at it, and maybe Japan too?



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smroadkill15 said:
goforgold said:
Seece said:
goforgold said:
Seece said:



1. no I'm not, I'm just not congratulating nor am I shocked it did roughly the same as it did last year

2. Jesus Christ man do you know what happens to a console when it's official price drops lower than $199, there's literally a similarity between every console, do you not know what that is....

3. a bundle and or/including a deal in almost EVERY major territory on the biggest game of the year that have only gotten bigger...EVERY YEAR,  during the holiday no less. really? how low did you guys think it was going to do??? 10k... 11k??? honest question

You really don't get it do you. The 360 has been at $199 for many years now, past what is normally a peak for a console (actually way past it) so for it to be almost flat in its 6th year (3rd year at the same price) and to not have the buzz of Kinect launch, yes, that is amazing. I know exactly what happens to a console when it goes $199. Do you know what normally happens to a console 3 years AFTER it's gone $199? obviously not seen as you're not surprised by its sales.

if that shit is amazing to you then the PS3 must be blowing your mind- oh wait nevermind


Yes, the ps3 is selling amazingly well, but I think it's a little more impessive on the 360's part consider the ps3 had an official price cut this year(along with one in 2009), while the 360 hasn't had one in 3 years and it's a 6 year old system.


Actually out of principle, the Xbox 360 Slim effectively served as a price cut since it was a console that offered more than its previous version while being offered as a similar price.  So if you want to get technical, you are correct.  But in the real world, the principle of a price cut still applies to the Xbox 360 Slim.  Also, it's just not the Xbox 360 anymore.  It the Xbox 360 + Kinect.  Imagine Xbox 360 sales if there wasn't a Kinect.  Kinect has been a major factor in boosting Xbox 360 sales during this holiday and last holiday.  Now if Microsoft can sustain current Xbox 360 sales WITHOUT Kinect, That would be impressive.  But when you cater to the masses/casuals/non-gamers, you'll get an edge on sales.  From a gamer's POV, not impressive.



pezus said:
Hyruken said:
Not shocked at the 360 numbers, but shocked at the people crying about it....

It happens every year in the build up to the holidays, you think people would learn by now.

Also just thought i would add something to the whole "Europe" thing. In case you have not heard countries like Spain,France,Italy,Greece and now maybe Germany are in financial trouble. In Spain 40% of ages 16-35 are out of a job. That is the gaming audience. I am surprised that the numbers for all the consoles are that high right now in europe considering the eurozone issues.

The sad thing is the numbers will continue to mirror last years and the year before that, and the year before that but yet people will still cry undertrackz for da ps3!! Sony never wins the holidays. Feck even November last year in the NPD 360 sold 1.4m and the PS3 sold only 500k. An almost 900k gap just from that one month.

I think very few people honestly expected PS3 to be doing better then 360 in the run up to holidays.

Bolded: I see an error in your reasoning.

Why don't you list EMEAA numbers for November last year while you're at it, and maybe Japan too?


With all due respect, this is a Worldwide thread.  So I think it would be safe to say Hyruken was referring to worldwide sales.  But I sort of see you point since different regions and cultures are influenced by different ways of life therefore effect different things such as buying decisions.



LivingMetal said:
smroadkill15 said:
goforgold said:
Seece said:
goforgold said:
Seece said:



1. no I'm not, I'm just not congratulating nor am I shocked it did roughly the same as it did last year

2. Jesus Christ man do you know what happens to a console when it's official price drops lower than $199, there's literally a similarity between every console, do you not know what that is....

3. a bundle and or/including a deal in almost EVERY major territory on the biggest game of the year that have only gotten bigger...EVERY YEAR,  during the holiday no less. really? how low did you guys think it was going to do??? 10k... 11k??? honest question

You really don't get it do you. The 360 has been at $199 for many years now, past what is normally a peak for a console (actually way past it) so for it to be almost flat in its 6th year (3rd year at the same price) and to not have the buzz of Kinect launch, yes, that is amazing. I know exactly what happens to a console when it goes $199. Do you know what normally happens to a console 3 years AFTER it's gone $199? obviously not seen as you're not surprised by its sales.

if that shit is amazing to you then the PS3 must be blowing your mind- oh wait nevermind


Yes, the ps3 is selling amazingly well, but I think it's a little more impessive on the 360's part consider the ps3 had an official price cut this year(along with one in 2009), while the 360 hasn't had one in 3 years and it's a 6 year old system.


Actually out of principle, the Xbox 360 Slim effectively served as a price cut since it was a console that offered more than its previous version while being offered as a similar price.  So if you want to get technical, you are correct.  But in the real world, the principle of a price cut still applies to the Xbox 360 Slim.  Also, it's just not the Xbox 360 anymore.  It the Xbox 360 + Kinect.  Imagine Xbox 360 sales if there wasn't a Kinect.  Kinect has been a major factor in boosting Xbox 360 sales during this holiday and last holiday.  Now if Microsoft can sustain current Xbox 360 sales WITHOUT Kinect, That would be impressive.  But when you cater to the masses/casuals/non-gamers, you'll get an edge on sales.  From a gamer's POV, not impressive.

But it had Kinect this time last year, and the Slim was over 5 months old at this time. I agree with most of what you said, I don't see how it's not impressive to a 'gamers' POV though, or why it matters who it is, rather, judge the sales for what they are.



 

i'M surprised that a guy who has 183k points only plays the 360.



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Hardware is actually fairly bad across the board. X360 is down 12% in November so far globally, after being up in Oct a bit, Nintendo hw is only flat against 2010 in Nov 2011 / Q4 2011 so far, even with a new system selling well, Sony hw is down against 2010 both in Nov and for Q4 2011 so far although PS3 is up 5% in Nov to date.

There really isn't much big software for the rest of the month either. Just Zumba 2, Assassin's Creed, Zelda, Marioland 3D, Halo-remake and a bunch of semi-big stuff.



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LivingMetal said:
pezus said:
Hyruken said:
Not shocked at the 360 numbers, but shocked at the people crying about it....

It happens every year in the build up to the holidays, you think people would learn by now.

Also just thought i would add something to the whole "Europe" thing. In case you have not heard countries like Spain,France,Italy,Greece and now maybe Germany are in financial trouble. In Spain 40% of ages 16-35 are out of a job. That is the gaming audience. I am surprised that the numbers for all the consoles are that high right now in europe considering the eurozone issues.

The sad thing is the numbers will continue to mirror last years and the year before that, and the year before that but yet people will still cry undertrackz for da ps3!! Sony never wins the holidays. Feck even November last year in the NPD 360 sold 1.4m and the PS3 sold only 500k. An almost 900k gap just from that one month.

I think very few people honestly expected PS3 to be doing better then 360 in the run up to holidays.

Bolded: I see an error in your reasoning.

Why don't you list EMEAA numbers for November last year while you're at it, and maybe Japan too?


With all due respect, this is a Worldwide thread.  So I think it would be safe to say Hyruken was referring to worldwide sales.  But I sort of see you point since different regions and cultures are influenced by different ways of life therefore effect different things such as buying decisions.

My first sentence is just talking about the bolded (hint: 2009). My second one is seperate and has nothing to do with my first sentence.



TheSource said:

Hardware is actually fairly bad across the board. X360 is down 12% in November so far globally, after being up in Oct a bit, Nintendo hw is only flat against 2010 in Nov 2011 / Q4 2011 so far, even with a new system selling well, Sony hw is down against 2010 both in Nov and for Q4 2011 so far although PS3 is up 5% in Nov to date.

There really isn't much big software for the rest of the month either. Just Zumba 2, Assassin's Creed, Zelda, Marioland 3D, Halo-remake and a bunch of semi-big stuff.

Those are all pretty huge though and MW3 will go on to sell a lot more this month. Zumba 2 might become huge too.

If we're just talking about current gen home consoles the hardware sales are certainly not bad, except for the Wii (relatively bad, that is).



Good lord there is a lot of bitching and a lot of banned people in this thread.

 

But anyways the 360, Skyrim and MW3 all outperformed what I figured they would. Next week the 360 and PS3 will probably be pretty close to each other and after that the PS3 will probably take the lead again.



Reasonable said:
pezus said:
D-Joe said:
Shinobi-san said:
Now that i checked the region numbers i see 360 had a massive increase in EMEAA, while ps3 had a very minor increase...

well it dropped last week

and 40~50k gap not really close,and should be 100k+ again later

Considering it was 100k last week I think it's pretty close. As far as I know there wasn't a special edition 360 this week in EMEAA, or was there?

There was.  MW3 bundle in all main European countries I believe.  As I noted in a few of the prediction threads while MS is clearly looking to avoid an official RRP price drop they're going to use bundles and deals to effectively aggresively reduce the price to the consumer or appeal to the CoD fanbase to drive their holiday spike.

Not there's anything wrong with that, PS3 will have deals, etc. too - but I always feel MS does a better job of judging which bundles/deals to drive maximum return in the countries 360 is popular in and sees a bigger return.

That said with a SW title over 100K in Japan and huge MW3 numbers for PS3 in EMEAA matching those of 360 I'm a little surprised the PS3 saw no real boost in those territories.  The 360 numbers make sense, and given the lack of MW3 bundles for PS3 I didn't expect it to match 360 boost wise anywhere, but it does seem to have seen particularly weak boosts nonetheless.

Still - I can't complain, things are heading to the virtual (and sure to be entertaining) tie for HW for the year with 360 sure to do more over the holidays.  The forums are going to be interesting place for the next few weeks.

They already are. Have you seen the amount of people banned?