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kain_kusanagi said:
IseeLight said:
kain_kusanagi said:
IseeLight said:
kain_kusanagi said:
Look at it like this. Canada was and still is part of the British Empire and therefor Canada was part of the British forces and therefor when anyone mentions what the English did you can just pretend they mean the British.

The first step in gaining a reputation as big as the USA is kicking the English out of your country. The world will continue to see Canada as England's toady for as long as the Queen is Canada's head of state.

Good luck with your revolution.

lol if you believe that you are ignorant as hell, and the USA lost to a third world country that's how bad their military is.

A. I was being cheeky.

B. I find it hilarious that you'd call anyone ignorant while making statement like that.

 

On another topic. Maybe Canada gets forgotten because it has 1/10th the population of the USA. For every Canadian who wants to see a Canadian focused war movie there are 10 Americans buying tickets to an American focused war movie. It probably doesn't help that over 90% of the population live within about 100 miles of the US border, shop, and vacation in the USA, and generally get mistaken for Americans when visiting abroad.

If every Canadian couple had 20 kids Canada would have the same population as the USA in the span of one generation. That would mean Canada would probably have a film industry on par with the USA and they'd be able to make as many Canadian war movies as they want.

Have fun making babies.

I' not ignorant you are just more ignorant then I thought look up your own military history, USA has sucked in just about every battle it's been in, it only wins by having overwelming forces and even then they sustain a hell of alot more losses then they should. The reason isn't population it's that americans control the media that's it.

I don't know where you get your anti-American information or why you seem to have an attitude about the USA vs Canada. Lord knows the world is full of people that love to hate the USA and tend to post less than impartial information on the subjest. But as far as unbias comparison of military strength, feel free to check out the following link: http://www.globalfirepower.com/

Of course you are free to disregard that information, insult me, my country, the wars my father, and grandfather, and family fought for freedom in and continue to belital the military my brother and friends are in today that continues to defend liberty and justice throughout the world. You are free to hate America as much as you want since Canada is perfect in every way and American is clearly an evil conspiracy to create suffering through the world and Canada should just take over and run the whole world so everyone can be perfect Canadians too.

You may have mistaken my humor for insults. Sorry about that, but sarcasm is difficult to convey in text. To remedy that I suggest you remove the chip on your shoulder on the topic of US/Canada relations and grow a sense of humor about yanks and canucks, who by the way aren't all that different.

Contrary to popular belief the US doesn't control the media, not even the media in the USA. American's media has an American perspective just like Canadian media has a Canadian perspective or Australia has an Australian perspective. That's to be expected. Venezuela is another story altogether though.

I should tell you a secret. I happen to love and respect Canada and have visited many times and will, I'm sure, many times more. There, the truth is out. I feel better now, almost liberated.

The USA and Canada are like best friends, and we should be friends too. We share the longest unprotected border in the world and our economies are linked closer than probably any other soverenties. Plus we are both gamers who happen to live in the same hemesphere and speak the same language. We may have even played Halo on the same team and not even known it. We shouldn't be arguing about who's country is better when both are pretty damn good countries with pretty damn good militaries both rated in the top 30. It's not a pissing contest. Our nations wouldn't hesitate to defend each other.

I didn't want to argue about this, but you insulted my country and the military that defends it of whom my family and friends are part of. You weren't joking or being ironic, you were being serious and melicious. I've now said my peace on the subject and I will leave you be.

That's just troops and armorments it has nothing to do with the overall effectiveness of the military, the USA lost to vietnam, they had far more military strength and still lost badly, the USA has sucked in every major battle they have been in despite having the advantage, so again look at military history and educate yourself. And the whole USA fighting for freedom is such a joke, they didn't enter the world wars until years after they began and they invade thrid world countries and bomb things for no good reason most of the time too. They take heavy losses despite having a massive advantage in military strength and their military spending and sheer stupidity is the reason the world is on the verge of ecnomical collapse. People who dislike the USA dislike it for very good reason.



yo_john117 said:
Joelcool7 said:
yo_john117 said:
Joelcool7 said:

Alright so this is a major beef I have with the game and film industries. Canada always gets made fun of picked on and such. Never does Canada actually get credit for what they did in WWI, WWII, Cold War Era, Korea...etc....etc... America always takes all the credit. Infact CoD3 was the first game and the last that I know of to actually have Canadian's mentioned and active in the game.

Infact in WWII Canada had the third largest Navy in the world and one of the largest armed forces. If it weren't for Canada WWII probably would have been lost. Canada was responsable for Liberating a shit load of Europe. Yet the movies and games based on WWII always mention America and Britian sometimes even the French militaries. But what about Canada?

I find it so irritating that Canada played such a huge role in almost every major conflict this century yet nobody recognizes their contributions. Now I get it that in Europe their are mass cemetaries with Canadian soldiers and that in Europe some countries are very grateful. But it seems for the most part that everybody remembers what American's have done, what the British have done. What France what Russia etc...etc...

But Canada is almost always left out. The only times we really get mentioned is when Canadian film makers make a war movie. But even in Canada often film makers would rather glorify the mighty American's in WWII rather then give the credit that is due to our men and women in uniform.

Its so angering knowing soldiers from my country gave their lives in service and they aren't even given credit in video games or movies!

Although I understand your perspective and agree with most of what you say the bolded is very unlikely.


Well D-day wouldn't have happened or been successful without Canada. The Allies tested the German defences and ran a test D-Day on Dieppe sending in 6,500 Canadians to land on a beach. They got massacred and the allies retreated learning alot about the german defences. Then Canada was in charge of landing off Juno Beach one of the beaches of D-Day. Also don't forget that Canada pretty much liberated the Netherlands (Holland). Also with the third largest Navy in the world Canada is hugely responsable for keeping Britians ass safe. Also the Canadian Navy prevented the German's from controlling the North Atlantic and protected all those American ships headed to Europe.

Without Canada WWII could have ended very differently for the allies.


Don't get me wrong I fully believe WWII would have gone on for quite a while longer without Canada but to lose to the Axis? Unlikely.

It's hard to say either way, Canada always does alot more then people realize in military conflicts but hitler was kinda insane and not very sound of mind, he had a treaty with russia and he broke it and caused german to fight on two fronts which is just plain stupid, I'm not one for patience but it's much easier to fight one guy at a time then 2 at once so it's hard to say hilter could of gotten more crazy or he might of kept it together more because german was doing better in the war.



Let me review the Allied countries of WW2, and what they did..

America- Did nothing until 1941 when Japan bombed Pearl harbor, Fought Japan until 1945, Used the first nuclear bomb, Main reason for D-Day, Backbone behind the Allies.

Britain- First ones to declare war on Hitler in 39, Battle of Britain, Helped with the Japanese a little bit in the Pacific, Helped in the D-day landings.

Russia- Defeated the Germans, Broke the German army in half, Made the Japanese surrender.

Canada- Helped with the D-day landings, ???

Please fill me in if im missing anything.



thanks canada,i guess you need to make your own films that get seen,don't quite get what your so upset about though

i saw that passchendaele recently and that showed what the canadians were all about and the germans knew they were tough,plus the english guy in the film was made to be a complete bastard/dickhead which is always the case we are always the nasty/stupid or queer in the films i'm surprised we got where we did in the first place



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IseeLight said:

That's just troops and armorments it has nothing to do with the overall effectiveness of the military, the USA lost to vietnam, they had far more military strength and still lost badly, the USA has sucked in every major battle they have been in despite having the advantage, so again look at military history and educate yourself. And the whole USA fighting for freedom is such a joke, they didn't enter the world wars until years after they began and they invade thrid world countries and bomb things for no good reason most of the time too. They take heavy losses despite having a massive advantage in military strength and their military spending and sheer stupidity is the reason the world is on the verge of ecnomical collapse. People who dislike the USA dislike it for very good reason.

Your revisionist history is laughable, and I'm tempted to say that you are just posting flamebait material to get a rise out of people.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt though and say: the reasons behind any large scale conflict, by any sovereign nation, especially one ruled by a democratic government are convuluted and influenced by the socio-political climate of the time.  For example, at the begining of WWII, America was undergoing an isolationist period.  Her people in general did not want to involve themselves in wars outside her borders; yet FDR still worked within the confines of that feeling to provide supplies for her Allies at the onset of the War.  The bombing of Pearl Harbor simply motivated her people to support the war they had now been thrust upon and America basically went balls deep after that.

Whats funny about your post is that you decry America for NOT getting involved in WWII, then say she gets TOO involved "for no good reason" in later wars...who should make the decision to get involved then I wonder?  You??

HAHA, now that I think about it, and re-reading your statement I'm pretty sure you just have an anti-American agenda you want to push - how original!  Have fun with that.



You should really stop referring to the US as America



TRios_Zen said:
IseeLight said:
 

That's just troops and armorments it has nothing to do with the overall effectiveness of the military, the USA lost to vietnam, they had far more military strength and still lost badly, the USA has sucked in every major battle they have been in despite having the advantage, so again look at military history and educate yourself. And the whole USA fighting for freedom is such a joke, they didn't enter the world wars until years after they began and they invade thrid world countries and bomb things for no good reason most of the time too. They take heavy losses despite having a massive advantage in military strength and their military spending and sheer stupidity is the reason the world is on the verge of ecnomical collapse. People who dislike the USA dislike it for very good reason.

Your revisionist history is laughable, and I'm tempted to say that you are just posting flamebait material to get a rise out of people.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt though and say: the reasons behind any large scale conflict, by any sovereign nation, especially one ruled by a democratic government are convuluted and influenced by the socio-political climate of the time.  For example, at the begining of WWII, America was undergoing an isolationist period.  Her people in general did not want to involve themselves in wars outside her borders; yet FDR still worked within the confines of that feeling to provide supplies for her Allies at the onset of the War.  The bombing of Pearl Harbor simply motivated her people to support the war they had now been thrust upon and America basically went balls deep after that.

Whats funny about your post is that you decry America for NOT getting involved in WWII, then say she gets TOO involved "for no good reason" in later wars...who should make the decision to get involved then I wonder?  You??

HAHA, now that I think about it, and re-reading your statement I'm pretty sure you just have an anti-American agenda you want to push - how original!  Have fun with that.

You made a mistake, USA didn't provide the Allies with supplies, they sold them to the allies, and I'm not being hypocritical you aren't being specific, why did USA attack vietnam, or the other 3rd world countries lately? Why are american bombs blowing up stuff that's worth less then the bombs? USA didn't fight for freedom when people were fighting for freedom they stayed on the side-lines and when USA was at the head of a war they are attacking third world countries that they have very little if any buisness being involved with, and if you guys didn't want to be involved in wars outside your borders why are you attacking 3rd world countries? And what do you mean revistnist history? Do you believe USA won the vietnam war? Again educate yourself, I don't need an agenda to make the USA look bad, stating facts does that.



Wait wait, did you try to insinuate that WWII would have been lost without canada?

I literally stopped reading after that part, but at least it was a bit far in to get your general point.



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IseeLight said:
TRios_Zen said:
IseeLight said:
 

That's just troops and armorments it has nothing to do with the overall effectiveness of the military, the USA lost to vietnam, they had far more military strength and still lost badly, the USA has sucked in every major battle they have been in despite having the advantage, so again look at military history and educate yourself. And the whole USA fighting for freedom is such a joke, they didn't enter the world wars until years after they began and they invade thrid world countries and bomb things for no good reason most of the time too. They take heavy losses despite having a massive advantage in military strength and their military spending and sheer stupidity is the reason the world is on the verge of ecnomical collapse. People who dislike the USA dislike it for very good reason.

Your revisionist history is laughable, and I'm tempted to say that you are just posting flamebait material to get a rise out of people.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt though and say: the reasons behind any large scale conflict, by any sovereign nation, especially one ruled by a democratic government are convuluted and influenced by the socio-political climate of the time.  For example, at the begining of WWII, America was undergoing an isolationist period.  Her people in general did not want to involve themselves in wars outside her borders; yet FDR still worked within the confines of that feeling to provide supplies for her Allies at the onset of the War.  The bombing of Pearl Harbor simply motivated her people to support the war they had now been thrust upon and America basically went balls deep after that.

Whats funny about your post is that you decry America for NOT getting involved in WWII, then say she gets TOO involved "for no good reason" in later wars...who should make the decision to get involved then I wonder?  You??

HAHA, now that I think about it, and re-reading your statement I'm pretty sure you just have an anti-American agenda you want to push - how original!  Have fun with that.

You made a mistake, USA didn't provide the Allies with supplies, they sold them to the allies, and I'm not being hypocritical you aren't being specific, why did USA attack vietnam, or the other 3rd world countries lately? Why are american bombs blowing up stuff that's worth less then the bombs? USA didn't fight for freedom when people were fighting for freedom they stayed on the side-lines and when USA was at the head of a war they are attacking third world countries that they have very little if any buisness being involved with, and if you guys didn't want to be involved in wars outside your borders why are you attacking 3rd world countries? And what do you mean revistnist history? Do you believe USA won the vietnam war? Again educate yourself, I don't need an agenda to make the USA look bad, stating facts does that.

Sadly, you are very short in the fact department.   For example, I did not state that the US provided anything for free, you assumed that, so the mistake is your own.

Further, if you don't know why the US got involved in the Vietnam War, it is you who needs further education as that information is readily available (hint it had to do with American belief that a communist "red-tide" would occur if South Korea fell to the North). The METHODS of said war and what ultimately led to the US failure in achieving a strategic victory is more politcal then anything else.  This period of time is a low point in US history - I will not shy from that - but to generalize because of that, that the US Armed Forces are garbage, is pure ignorance.

Finally you ask why the US attacks third world countries: I can only assume you are talking about thier involvement in Afghanistan, Iraq (and recent operations in Pakistan).  I think their motives have been fairly clear - and were all initiated post the attack on the World Trade center.  You do not have to agree with those, however, I respect your right to your own opinion.  Your opinion however, is just that, a political difference of opinion, not fact.

Honestly, I feel like I'm giving a class here.  I'm educating you, not myself; I wonder, is it helping any?