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Faxanadu said:
If rol likes the game, it must be in 2D.

Therefore, I am not interested.


3D is the new 2D?

Anyway, great score.




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okr said:
RolStoppable said:

Meh, Super Street Fighter IV AE and The Legend of Zelda: Oot 3D. Can't really blame them for giving out great scores to the top dogs in their respective genre.

Bastion got a 7.

Ha, that's why I love this magazine. They are some of the best reviewers out there in my opinion. Always unbiased and never influenced by hype. Bastion is a good game and I enjoyed playing it but I don't understand why it got an average worldwide score of 88 (actually it's not even the scores themselves that bother me but the ridiculous praise it got from many reviewers for being innovative, while in fact it's not innovative in the slightest, just a well done action RPG like dozens of others before). Must be the Summer of Arcade bonus. Sorry, I won't derail the thread further.

I have nothing against the thread being derailed and I am the original poster, so no need to apologize. Besides, the integrity of this magazine is part of the topic anyway, so it's not even derailment in the first place.

But personally I do think that they are influenced by hype every now and then, although by far not as often as everyone else. For example, their Cave Story review. They tend to be more generous if some personality had been working on a game. No way is that a game worth a 10, even an 8 would be pushing it (I would give it a 6, btw).

And at other times they surrender to international gaming journalism. I think I've mentioned this to you before, they put Shadow of the Colossus among the milestones of the past decade which doesn't really line up with their review of the game. They weren't overly impressed and gave it a score of 77, I think. This just screams revisionism. But anyway, they are still the best magazine there is.



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Exciting! Now NOA needs to bring it to the US, since we only get NTSC Wii here.

Danke for sharing, Rol.



Can't wait. Nintendo of America is dumb for not releasing this. I hope Reggie's salary got nailed by a pick up truck!



RolStoppable said:

I have nothing against the thread being derailed and I am the original poster, so no need to apologize. Besides, the integrity of this magazine is part of the topic anyway, so it's not even derailment in the first place.

But personally I do think that they are influenced by hype every now and then, although by far not as often as everyone else. For example, their Cave Story review. They tend to be more generous if some personality had been working on a game. No way is that a game worth a 10, even an 8 would be pushing it (I would give it a 6, btw).

And at other times they surrender to international gaming journalism. I think I've mentioned this to you before, they put Shadow of the Colossus among the milestones of the past decade which doesn't really line up with their review of the game. They weren't overly impressed and gave it a score of 77, I think. This just screams revisionism. But anyway, they are still the best magazine there is.

Yes, I remember this, but in their milestone article they said about SotC that "despite its broken controls and empty world this title is a milestone because the bosses are levels and the game evokes feelings like grief, empathy and despair". Not complete revisionism, but revisionism still, I agree. It looks to me as if the guy who wrote this part of the artcle tried to justify at the same time their original score and their changed opinion. Of course I'm aware I was exaggerating a bit there with my statement about them being always unbiased and not falling for hypes. Everyone is biased and falling for hypes sometimes.

There's one thing I actually even strongly dislike about M!Games:
They don't have the guts to put the games they recently liked or currently like the most on their cover. Even though they love Wii and DS (just like all other systems), for some reason they rarely put a game from a Nintendo system on their cover. It's mostly HD console action games, boring and predictable covers like all other gaming magazines these days. The Xenoblade picture on the first page of their review would have made a great cover picture but they didn't even put it on their alternative subscription cover. Another one of many missed chances.

The recently discontinued printed GEE (they unfortunately switched from print to app store) was the only German gaming magazine that had the same quaility level of articles as MANI!AC/M!Games and they actually put not only Nintendo system games on some of their covers but at least once even a handheld game on alternative covers.

Meanwhile I found out that M!Games also reviewed Solatorobo and rated it 85. Indeed a very interesting issue for me.



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RolStoppable said:
spurgeonryan said:
Was there anything added from the japanese version other than translation? What about the other games coming to you guys?

No, nothing added to the game itself. There's a bundle with a red Classic Controller Pro and an alternate boxart (voted for by fans) on the backside of the actual one though.

Neither The Last Story or Pandora's Tower have gotten final confirmation for a European release at this point in time, but it looks likely that they will come in 2012.

both saka when in paris then a few weeks later the product director at nintendo france confirmed Last story to a magazin.... that and they had the game playable 4 weeks ago in paris (though in japanese) with the nintendo pinup girls saying it'd release in 2012 (though these last ones aren't a reference... last time I had a nintendo pinup guy saying that fifa 3DS was great while standing next to PES...)

Pandora was rumored at the same show... I personnaly didn't see it (and I saw the station the rumor picture comes from, it had a different game, though different from the screen picture too).



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oh and had a hands on xeno at that event too.... FFXII is probably the better description, but i didn't take too much attention ^^.
you don't control your partners (ala FFXII) and they may even kill off bad guys on their own if you keep walking away. The attacks are done though a bar menu at the bottom... though I can't recall if there's an auto attack at the same time and if there's timers on the attacks :p.

One thing though, the area I played in way pretty big (both width and height as the road went up and above the valley on a bridge), so unlike FFXII, I don't think you play in areas, it seems more as an openworld.



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okr said:

Yes, I remember this, but in their milestone article they said about SotC that "despite its broken controls and empty world this title is a milestone because the bosses are levels and the game evokes feelings like grief, empathy and despair". Not complete revisionism, but revisionism still, I agree. It looks to me as if the guy who wrote this part of the artcle tried to justify at the same time their original score and their changed opinion. Of course I'm aware I was exaggerating a bit there with my statement about them being always unbiased and not falling for hypes. Everyone is biased and falling for hypes sometimes.

There's one thing I actually even strongly dislike about M!Games:
They don't have the guts to put the games they recently liked or currently like the most on their cover. Even though they love Wii and DS (just like all other systems), for some reason they rarely put a game from a Nintendo system on their cover. It's mostly HD console action games, boring and predictable covers like all other gaming magazines these days. The Xenoblade picture on the first page of their review would have made a great cover picture but they didn't even put it on their alternative subscription cover. Another one of many missed chances.

The recently discontinued printed GEE (they unfortunately switched from print to app store) was the only German gaming magazine that had the same quaility level of articles as MANI!AC/M!Games and they actually put not only Nintendo system games on some of their covers but at least once even a handheld game on alternative covers.

Meanwhile I found out that M!Games also reviewed Solatorobo and rated it 85. Indeed a very interesting issue for me.

Yes, their covers are pretty lame, nearly all the time featuring a dark color palette. Recently they had a reader complain about this, but justified it by saying that the covers span a broad range of genres and are thus not really the same thing all the time. During the last few years they pretty much only put either Link or Super Mario on the cover and that's once or twice per year.

Funnily enough, the subscription cover of the current issue is one of those with a three pages advert (for Xenoblade Chronicles) on the inside with the first page of that being a cool looking artwork. That should have been the actual cover instead of that thing I don't even know of what it is. Apparently some Warner game, I guess Lord of the Rings, but I am not 100 % sure.



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RolStoppable said:

Funnily enough, the subscription cover of the current issue is one of those with a three pages advert (for Xenoblade Chronicles) on the inside with the first page of that being a cool looking artwork. That should have been the actual cover instead of that thing I don't even know of what it is. Apparently some Warner game, I guess Lord of the Rings, but I am not 100 % sure.

Yes, it's a Nazgul artwork for the upcoming Lord of the Rings: War of the North game. I can't deny that the subscription cover looks fantastic.

But still, they said in their magazine preview video on their website that the reviewer considers Xenoblade the best RPG of the past five years (if I remember this part of the video correctly) and on the first page of their review, right underneath the large picture they praise the "graphical glory, even without HD" and "impressive sceneries which you've rarely seen before in any JRPG, all areas you see on this picture are accessible without loading screens". So if "in our opinion it's the best JRPG of recent years" and "one of the best looking JRPGs ever" are not reasons enough to put Xenoblade on one of their two possible covers, I don't know.



okr said:

Yes, it's a Nazgul artwork for the upcoming Lord of the Rings: War of the North game. I can't deny that the subscription cover looks fantastic.

But still, they said in their magazine preview video on their website that the reviewer considers Xenoblade the best RPG of the past five years (if I remember this part of the video correctly) and on the first page of their review, right underneath the large picture they praise the "graphical glory, even without HD" and "impressive sceneries which you've rarely seen before in any JRPG, all areas you see on this picture are accessible without loading screens". So if "in our opinion it's the best JRPG of recent years" and "one of the best looking JRPGs ever" are not reasons enough to put Xenoblade on one of their two possible covers, I don't know.

They expect Lord of the Rings to be an even greater game, mystery solved. Everyone knows that Snowblind Studios will deliver, they are masters in making generic hack'n'slash titles.

But seriously, the real issue is that later this year there will be a new Zelda and a new Super Mario game. If they want to stick to their rule of using at most two covers per year for Nintendo games, then they can't afford to waste one on Xenoblade Chronicles.



Legend11 correctly predicted that GTA IV (360+PS3) would outsell SSBB. I was wrong.

A Biased Review Reloaded / Open Your Eyes / Switch Gamers Club