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sapphi_snake said:
Player1x3 said:
lestatdark said:
WiseOwl said:
It's true and I am very aware, but its always good to see others are too. Cause there are some people in this world that have never touched a Bible.

What's that got to do with anything? I've read the entire bible, I went to mass and I've had extensive explainings about it from my fevourlishly catolic grandparents back when I was a little boy and I don't believe a single word in the Bible.

I'm Wiccan by the way, why should the bible be more true than what I believe? 


Wicca? They practice witchcraft, satanism and worship nature, right? Im not very educated on on non abrahamic religions.

No kiddin'?


I dont joke about religion and people's holy beliefs (unless they are satanists). And btw, you have my quote in your post :)



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Farmageddon said:
Galaki said:
Player1x3 said:
Galaki said:
mchaza said:
the chances of global unity and world peace are far lower than humans becoming extinct.

You have to face the fact that we are a very destructive violent creature, just look around, we are spending so much resources on building weapons to destroy us then help us.

We are greed driven, destruction is only a side effect.


No we are not. We choose to be so. Nature doesnt make us bad, we do it ourselves. We are neither greedy nor destructive by nature.



Some believe that we are born good. Some believe that we are born bad. Some believe that we are born neutral.

Some believe we're just born and make all those concepts up as we go :P

When it comes to a single world religion, I really, really, really don't see that happening (besides maybe on an "official" level). Only shot would be if that one religion was non-religious. I don't think even extreme supernatural intervention would change that. I mean, assuming they don't just wipe our minds.

Also, Player1x3, I see your vision of humans is as if we're removed from nature, special. I think this kind of argument about human nature can't really be settled between people with a creationist view and people with a more naturalistic one.


What? No I dont believe in creationism, I simply believe that we have free will and that we make our choices but in the end our choices make us(shamelessly stolen from Bioshock), they determine weather or not we are greedy, destrctive etc etc...



The world was more devided than it is now and there`s a "push" for unity at the expense of "individuality", so it could be easier to control the masses. And you know, Satan is the false light that many will follow as to feel empowered - one way or the other.
Prophecies have also existed to this day like the Marian apparitions - which people should carefuly read.



Player1x3 said:
lestatdark said:
Player1x3 said:
lestatdark said:
WiseOwl said:
It's true and I am very aware, but its always good to see others are too. Cause there are some people in this world that have never touched a Bible.

What's that got to do with anything? I've read the entire bible, I went to mass and I've had extensive explainings about it from my fevourlishly catolic grandparents back when I was a little boy and I don't believe a single word in the Bible.

I'm Wiccan by the way, why should the bible be more true than what I believe? 


Wicca? They practice witchcraft, satanism and worship nature, right? Im not very educated on on non abrahamic religions.

Satanism? Far from it. What you call satan is merely a misrepresentation of the horned forest god from the celts time. Christianty just found it, let's us say, "convenient" to represent it as the form of the greater evil mainly to allure their followers from the so called pagan religions. As a newcomer religion in that age and time, it was a pretty obvious move. 

But I digress. No we don't worship Satan or any form of evil at all, we don't do sacrificial rituals nor we do curses or jinxes or any other form of evil that you can peg us. Yes we do practice witchcraft, but it's a self-healing form of witchcraft, enhanced with the common bond that every living thing has with mother nature herself. 

We have do have our own code, the Wiccan Rede, but as a summary, is a moral code in which we believe that, above all, as long as you don't harm anyone, you're free to do as you choose, for the goddess loves everyone of her children indiscriminately (and I do focus on the word Indiscriminately, which is a word that the abrahamic religions seems to have forgotten what it means). Also, we believe that life itself is based on a rule of three, which for every good or bad deed that you perform will come back to you threefold, thus enhancing the primary belief of the Rede. 

You worhip a Goddess? So basiclly feministic version of Christianity (no pun or insult intended) ? That moral code exists in Christianity as well, only God gives it not Goddess lol

The triple goddess is the most worshiped deity in Wicca, but we also worship the horned god (the celt god Cernunnos) and a lot of nature's sprites and forces.

Most moral codes in religions are similar in content, it's how they're put in practice that differs. And in that aspect, I found Wicca and it's practicioners to be much more respectful of the self, of the individual, of his/her own personal choices in every field of his/her life (as long as it doesn't harm anyone else) and the way he/she goes through the path of life.



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DélioPT said:
The world was more devided than it is now and there`s a "push" for unity at the expense of "individuality", so it could be easier to control the masses. And you know, Satan is the false light that many will follow as to feel empowered - one way or the other.
Prophecies have also existed to this day like the Marian apparitions - which people should carefuly read.

Kinda ironic that you put it in those terms, when it was cristianity itself during the dark ages that almost destroyed the individuality for much easier control of the masses. The crusades, the inquisition, the witch trials, hundreds of thousands killed in the name of trying to annul everything that was different and that didn't mold itself by the christian thought and moral code. 

Have a look at how humanity suffered a massive technological, ideological and even humanitarian downgrade after the fall of the Roman/Greek ideology and rise of the christian ideology. That is why I sincerely scoff at these kind of religious claims that the christian message is the one true message and that everything had been predicted and prophecized by them. Were christianity to have won over the scientific advance during the age of enlightment, we wouldn't have this conversation now. 



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lestatdark said:
DélioPT said:
The world was more devided than it is now and there`s a "push" for unity at the expense of "individuality", so it could be easier to control the masses. And you know, Satan is the false light that many will follow as to feel empowered - one way or the other.
Prophecies have also existed to this day like the Marian apparitions - which people should carefuly read.

Kinda ironic that you put it in those terms, when it was cristianity itself during the dark ages that almost destroyed the individuality for much easier control of the masses. The crusades, the inquisition, the witch trials, hundreds of thousands killed in the name of trying to annul everything that was different and that didn't mold itself by the christian thought and moral code. 

Have a look at how humanity suffered a massive technological, ideological and even humanitarian downgrade after the fall of the Roman/Greek ideology and rise of the christian ideology. That is why I sincerely scoff at these kind of religious claims that the christian message is the one true message and that everything had been predicted and prophecized by them. Were christianity to have won over the scientific advance during the age of enlightment, we wouldn't have this conversation now. 

Although many mistakes were made, if you keep always looking back, without looking at the path you are walking (now), you might stumble and fall because you did not see where you were walking.



DélioPT said:
lestatdark said:
DélioPT said:
The world was more devided than it is now and there`s a "push" for unity at the expense of "individuality", so it could be easier to control the masses. And you know, Satan is the false light that many will follow as to feel empowered - one way or the other.
Prophecies have also existed to this day like the Marian apparitions - which people should carefuly read.

Kinda ironic that you put it in those terms, when it was cristianity itself during the dark ages that almost destroyed the individuality for much easier control of the masses. The crusades, the inquisition, the witch trials, hundreds of thousands killed in the name of trying to annul everything that was different and that didn't mold itself by the christian thought and moral code. 

Have a look at how humanity suffered a massive technological, ideological and even humanitarian downgrade after the fall of the Roman/Greek ideology and rise of the christian ideology. That is why I sincerely scoff at these kind of religious claims that the christian message is the one true message and that everything had been predicted and prophecized by them. Were christianity to have won over the scientific advance during the age of enlightment, we wouldn't have this conversation now. 

Although many mistakes were made, if you keep always looking back, without looking at the path you are walking (now), you might stumble and fall because you did not see where you were walking.

Oh trust me, the path i'm currently walking is the best one for me and for my loved ones. I've retained all my individuality and my own self without having to subject myself to dogmas. 

What I do find curious is that you somehow criticize the "push for unity at the expense of the individuality" when that's one of the core dogmas and messages of christianity itself.



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I really don't see what's so bad about a unified world government. Just because one (presumably elected) government controls the world doesn't mean that the government is full of satanists and antichrists and that we are doomed to eternity in hell (besides which, isn't it God's job to stop that from happening?)

Naturally, with one unified global nation state, there would be a unified currency. A unified religion would be problematic, but I don't see that ever happening. Eventually people will realise that there are things that Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism and the rest just can't explain.



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lestatdark said:

Oh trust me, the path i'm currently walking is the best one for me and for my loved ones. I've retained all my individuality and my own self without having to subject myself to dogmas. 

What I do find curious is that you somehow criticize the "push for unity at the expense of the individuality" when that's one of the core dogmas and messages of christianity itself.


Actually it`s not. It`s quite the opposite really. Loving others doesn`t come without loving yourself. And God is love. You also have free will to do what you want with your life aswell - although there are consequences for all your actions -, so there`s all the room for individuality and unity with God.
Those who have faith find themselves within God without ever losing oneself.



lestatdark said:
DélioPT said:
The world was more devided than it is now and there`s a "push" for unity at the expense of "individuality", so it could be easier to control the masses. And you know, Satan is the false light that many will follow as to feel empowered - one way or the other.
Prophecies have also existed to this day like the Marian apparitions - which people should carefuly read.

Kinda ironic that you put it in those terms, when it was cristianity itself during the dark ages that almost destroyed the individuality for much easier control of the masses. The crusades, the inquisition, the witch trials, hundreds of thousands killed in the name of trying to annul everything that was different and that didn't mold itself by the christian thought and moral code. 

Have a look at how humanity suffered a massive technological, ideological and even humanitarian downgrade after the fall of the Roman/Greek ideology and rise of the christian ideology. That is why I sincerely scoff at these kind of religious claims that the christian message is the one true message and that everything had been predicted and prophecized by them. Were christianity to have won over the scientific advance during the age of enlightment, we wouldn't have this conversation now. 

It's disingenuous to say that Western Europe had a big fall because of the rise of Christianity, even though the Dark Ages coincided with it. The Church was pretty much the only vehicle keeping knowledge alive in the West (which gave them a monopoly on information that they later abused to an extent), so they deserve credit, as if the Church hadn't been around as an institution, most of that knowledge would have been lost (though it would have been reclaimed i suppose)

Plus the Church ended a few barbaric practices of pagan times. I'm not saying the Church is blameless in history, far from it, but it isn't responsible for the dark ages



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