I'm still waiting for you to post factual evidence of all the claims you've made rather than post your opinion as fact...

1. They're always going to be peole trying to hack Sony as they're a huge corporation.  Ignoring the Geohot case I'm pretty sure there are hackers out there pissed over something or other from their music and film divisions.  They will not always be the ripe target they are now but they're always going to be a target in some way.

2.  I would rather hope that a company the size of Sony would have adequate security to not need to update every single server.  We were assured by the Sony fans on this site that Sony were not negligent in their security and indeed Sony tried to portray that image too.  It seems it was all garbage and the facts have been laid bare for all to see now that the security they had in place was frankly, woeful.  I'm not sure what you're argument is here, should I be understanding that it takes times to implement security that should have always been in place and also be understanding that my datawass potentially at risk all this time.  If the servers aren't secure and they possess my data then they should be taken down, it seems Sony still haven't implemented adequate security policies and is not concerned about peoples personal information they hold, being secure.

3.  Of course you have proof of this claim, thought not.

4.  Let's be nice and say Sony implement massive changes to their staff and security policies, I still don't see a company who has been this negligent ever changing it's attitude without significant investment in time and people to police it.  Even then as time goes by and the hacking interest supposedly dies off as you claim then their standards will slip again.  We've seen nothing in the last 2 months to suggest Sony have done anything but spout hot air and PR statements to sure up their share price.

You're as likely to get an apology out of me as PSN is to last the year without more hacker induced outages... 

His post seemed pretty neutral to me

Number 1 he says that "It will die down. It always does. ", this is particularly true with consumers these days. This doesnt egual to "it doesnt matter if Sony was negligent" though.

Number 2 you cannot upgrade everything at the same time, thats true, particularly if you want it done well and in a coherent way. It could be countered with the argument that they should take down their server until they are though. Both option seems debatable to me.

Number 3 since it hurts their consumers as well as Sony image, its logical to assume they will fix their security issues. It cost a lot less to upgrade the security then to leave it like that, particularly considering they cannot use the "we didnt know" excuse anymore.

A few points that need to be made. Firstly it is a classic blunder to have implicit faith in this sites estimates. They have been wrong before. The fact that they eventually get rectified down the line doesn't mean you cannot see a couple months of over tracking console sales. So lets give it a couple months to see if the data ends up being modified. Beyond that the software sales have always been the weakest link, and most likely to see massive changes later on.

That all said there are also two types of impact short term, and long term impact. Even if there isn't a sign of a short term impact. That doesn't mean there isn't a long term impact. When it comes to platforms reputation does matter. We will probably have to wait till the holiday season to see if these hacks have done real harm to public perception. That is when the sales that are most at risk will happen.

Speaking to the hacking. Given the duration, high visibility, number of groups involved, and the number of attacks. I have to pose a real question here. Has anything remotely like this ever happened before in the history of hacking. I do not think this matches the more common trends. Hell I am not sure if the pressure cannot stay consistently high, because each group can rotate in for a round, and then rotate back out.

This cannot bring Sony down. That may be a fair statement in a vacuum. This is however more like a battlefield. In which battles are won and lost. More then that Sony is also fighting multiple opponents. The Hackers don't have to deliver a killing blow. All they have to do is keep Sony off balance while someone else does the real damage. You can argue that any adult can beat the crap out of any child, but if that adult is fighting another adult, and the child jumps in starting to grab legs. Well that fight just got a lot harder.

'cuz somebody needs to stress Sony's security!

Umm what was the hackers reasons for doing something that rewards nothing but some addresses and email addresses of some people you can get easily from the white pages and facebook and an wide range of sites.

also lame attack on an network that had nothing valuable. They just want to bring down and corporation on its knees in financial debt and force 10,000s of there own fellow americans people as well as countless thousands more worldwide out of work and adding to the ever growing unemployment numbers.

Anyways why such hate against sony anyways, many hackers are gamers and sony has been on the gamers side for 15 years funding many favorite games and taking an real hit with the ps3. They should be hacking child porn sites and getting there information or using the web skills to crack down on Nigerian scams.

My only guess on the hackers attacking sony are they are all dreamcast fans and are upset that Sony destroyed that console with there ps2.

I had a particular issue with the following statement

"Yes, Sony did have poor security across all its networks. We've all learnt that. With each hack, we don't exactly learn that anymore. We get the point, the security was crap, now they are fixing it. They will fix, believe you me. And once the 'coolness' of hacking Sony dies away, we will be left with a platform with a secure network."

Nothing I have seen in this entire debacle makes me think the bolded will be true yet.  The burden of proof is on him making that claim to provide evidence this will be so.  It seems so far that is not the case hence why these breaches are continuing and should be broadcast to the public, until Sony do get their act together.  What other news should be censored and swept under the carpet because it's not what we want to hear.  I really don't understand anybody who says this shouldn't be reported, the attitude is most certainly not neutral and shows a heavy bias.  Lets put it another way, if you don't care about this news and are bored then don't enter threads and spout supposition and opinion as fact (this isn't aimed at you btw).

Ok, I understand where your coming from. What your asking him is impossible though, its not proveable until it happens. With that said, the logic is explanable: its less expensive to put everything up to date then to suffer the kind of attack they are suffering right now. Particularly considering they cannot say "we didnt know" anymore. Negligence is easy to prove for future cases if they do nothing. I agree we shouldnt downplay the results of this poor security management though, I even hope the judge make an example out of this case so that all compaies, not just bank, invest more on online security. I heard the public is only made aware of about 20% of this type of incidences, thats sad. In any case, while not downplaying the results of their security management issue  lets not forget what they do well too.

Of course Sony will be fixing the security on all their networks. The attacks have cost them millions, have put a dent in their share price and did some damage to their greatest asset; their brand name.

I understand Sony can be imcompetent on some issues quite frequently, but I assure you the company is not full of retards. You need to be very good to get a job with Sony these days.

As for your other points: You really need evidence to say consumers have been harmed by this whole incident? People didn't get to play their online games for a month and developers lost money - that is harm.

You were out of line being such as smart ass to me, sir. I'm not one of the worst posters here, although of course I have my preferences (as do you).

weak, yet shows holes Sony needs to fix

At this point, probably just for lulz.