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CGI-Quality said:

Poor you, ignoring smileys now. D:<

Just to humor you (although this is rather pointless); yes both are adventure games, no they aren't the same. One has a story/ in-depth characters/kinematics while the other is a more classic take on adventure, getting to the point much faster with easier accessibility (albeit, unique with Kinect's control scheme).

Still, a whole laundry list of differences isn't needed to know the two (while seeking to be fun) are vastly different in reaching their destination.


O.o 

Of course I know the actual difference between the two :-p, but what does any of that have to do with hardcore and casual games being made up crap? 



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dsister said:
CGI-Quality said:

Poor you, ignoring smileys now. D:<

Just to humor you (although this is rather pointless); yes both are adventure games, no they aren't the same. One has a story/ in-depth characters/kinematics while the other is a more classic take on adventure, getting to the point much faster with easier accessibility (albeit, unique with Kinect's control scheme).

Still, a whole laundry list of differences isn't needed to know the two (while seeking to be fun) are vastly different in reaching their destination.


O.o 

Of course I know the actual difference between the two :-p, but what does any of that have to do with hardcore and casual games being made up crap?

What the.......? You asked about differences, the rest wasn't on my menu.

You were either being sarcastic, serious, or are drunk. Which is it?

Edit: I now see what you're getting at; Uncharted ("hardcore"), Kinect Adventures ("casual"). Since I don't use "hardcore" or "casual" as labels, I wouldn't be the best person to ask. Only answer I can give: Kinect Adventures is going for a broader audience than Uncharted.



                                                                                                             

CGI-Quality said:

You asked about differences. The rest wasn't on my menu.

I'm guessing you were being sarcastic/serious in one. Either way, it's not making much sense at the moment.


The question started when whoever quoted me with this. 

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4076551

I figured when he quoted me he meant how Uncharted is "hardcore" and Kinectimals was "casual". It's a couple pages later, and I still don't have an answer. 

*munches on icecream* 



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CGI-Quality said:

You were either being sarcastic, serious, or are drunk. Which is it?

Sleep deprived and dehydrated  



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dsister said:
CGI-Quality said:

You asked about differences. The rest wasn't on my menu.

I'm guessing you were being sarcastic/serious in one. Either way, it's not making much sense at the moment.


The question started when whoever quoted me with this. 

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4076551

I figured when he quoted me he meant how Uncharted is "hardcore" and Kinectimals was "casual". It's a couple pages later, and I still don't have an answer. 

*munches on icecream* 

Yep, got it. Read above edit.



                                                                                                             

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Mr Puggsly said:
killeryoshis said:

Passing on Kinect would've been a bad move if it helped microsoft long term but it seems it only helped for the holiday season and first 1-3 months of this year. Looking at his beautiful chart you can see 

http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly.php

That kinect is being outsold by wii fit and just dance 2

It used to be big like this

http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly.php?date=40685&reg=World&date=40580

The only way its a mistake is if you look short term and only look at the holiday season and America sales. It did little in Europe and nothing in Japan 

Kinect is big now, but it would have been even more massive with Nintendo backing it. It could have been Nintendo's next big innovation that prolonged the life of the Wii or made Project Cafe a guaranteed huge success. That's why it was a big mistake for Nintendo to let it pass by.


Your only as big as you are right now. Sure if you take kinect's sales lifetime wise you can call it big but its not big any more as its not selling that much anymore. Let me rephrase that it WAS big. 

Also I have no idea how it could make wii or cafe last longer as its not doing much for 360 now and looks like it will do nothing by next year unless it gets some killer apps. I think nintendo would've looked at kinect as the weaker version of wii fit but cost more. (Sales wise)



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killeryoshis said:
Mr Puggsly said:
killeryoshis said:

Passing on Kinect would've been a bad move if it helped microsoft long term but it seems it only helped for the holiday season and first 1-3 months of this year. Looking at his beautiful chart you can see 

http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly.php

That kinect is being outsold by wii fit and just dance 2

It used to be big like this

http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly.php?date=40685&reg=World&date=40580

The only way its a mistake is if you look short term and only look at the holiday season and America sales. It did little in Europe and nothing in Japan 

Kinect is big now, but it would have been even more massive with Nintendo backing it. It could have been Nintendo's next big innovation that prolonged the life of the Wii or made Project Cafe a guaranteed huge success. That's why it was a big mistake for Nintendo to let it pass by.


Your only as big as you are right now. Sure if you take kinect's sales lifetime wise you can call it big but its not big any more as its not selling that much anymore. Let me rephrase that it WAS big. 

Also I have no idea how it could make wii or cafe last longer as its not doing much for 360 now and looks like it will do nothing by next year unless it gets some killer apps. I think nintendo would've looked at kinect as the weaker version of wii fit but cost more. (Sales wise)

You make it sound like Kinect is struggling. Lets see how its done in 2011 so far...

3 X360 Kinect Adventures! 2,695,213
4 Wii  
Just Dance 2              
2,502,057
6 X360 Call of Duty: Black Ops 1,812,537   
7 Wii     
Wii Fit Plus                
1,685,964

 

Now this... "Your only as big as you are right now." Kinect is the type of device that really sells during the holidays. Last I checked its not the holidays and its the same story for the Wii. Wii sales were pretty modest throughout 2010 yet it dominated the holidays. Hence, Kinect will be "big" again.

Wii Balance Board doesn't have any killer apps other than the one its bundled with. So why does Kinect need them? Regardless there is hope for great games to come to Kinect. When you buy a Wii Balance Board there is not much else to look forward to than Wii Fit.

I believe Nintendo passed on the Kinect technology because they didn't think it could be affordable. In the end they missed out on something great and it could have been their next big innovation. In due time they may just clone it though.



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Mr Puggsly said:
killeryoshis said:
Mr Puggsly said:
killeryoshis said:

Passing on Kinect would've been a bad move if it helped microsoft long term but it seems it only helped for the holiday season and first 1-3 months of this year. Looking at his beautiful chart you can see 

http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly.php

That kinect is being outsold by wii fit and just dance 2

It used to be big like this

http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly.php?date=40685&reg=World&date=40580

The only way its a mistake is if you look short term and only look at the holiday season and America sales. It did little in Europe and nothing in Japan 

Kinect is big now, but it would have been even more massive with Nintendo backing it. It could have been Nintendo's next big innovation that prolonged the life of the Wii or made Project Cafe a guaranteed huge success. That's why it was a big mistake for Nintendo to let it pass by.


Your only as big as you are right now. Sure if you take kinect's sales lifetime wise you can call it big but its not big any more as its not selling that much anymore. Let me rephrase that it WAS big. 

Also I have no idea how it could make wii or cafe last longer as its not doing much for 360 now and looks like it will do nothing by next year unless it gets some killer apps. I think nintendo would've looked at kinect as the weaker version of wii fit but cost more. (Sales wise)

You make it sound like Kinect is struggling. Lets see how its done in 2011 so far...

3 X360 Kinect Adventures! 2,695,213
4 Wii  
Just Dance 2              
2,502,057
6 X360 Call of Duty: Black Ops 1,812,537   
7 Wii     
Wii Fit Plus                
1,685,964

 

Now this... "Your only as big as you are right now." Kinect is the type of device that really sells during the holidays. Last I checked its not the holidays and its the same story for the Wii. Wii sales were pretty modest throughout 2010 yet it dominated the holidays. Hence, Kinect will be "big" again.

Wii Balance Board doesn't have any killer apps other than the one its bundled with. So why does Kinect need them? Regardless there is hope for great games to come to Kinect. When you buy a Wii Balance Board there is not much else to look forward to than Wii Fit.

I believe Nintendo passed on the Kinect technology because they didn't think it could be affordable. In the end they missed out on something great and it could have been their next big innovation. In due time they may just clone it though.

Smart pointing out the sales for 2011 but let's move in a little deeper

January 1,076,007(39% of total)

 February 694,699 (25% of total)

March 474,122 (17% of total)

April 309,614 (11% of total)

May 140,771 (5% of total) (missing a week so lets say it ends at 190k)

Its normal to see a decline like this but what I want to point out is that its falling much faster then other titles. It used to be #1 game on the chart expect for when their are new releases but now its being outsold by Just Dance and wii fit plus. I'm pretty sure a add on that was supposed to sky rocket the 360 was to do more. Not to be outsold by a 3rd party game and a over a year old expansion pack. Of course its doing bad compared to the wii titles. Its however outselling Black ops on both systems not combined and every other HD title.  Also the Balance board was made for wii fit not to make games around it. Their is no game to my knowledge designed exclusively for the balance board its more of a option to put it in like the zapper. 

As for it bumping in the holiday season, It will get a boast but the better question is how much? Wii sold on a lot of little games and bundles. What will kinect have for the holiday season to boasts its sales? 


“3DV showed off a camera that detected motion in 3D, and had voice recognition – but Iwata-San was unconvinced he could sell it at a Nintendo price point. He also had some worries around latency during gameplay.

Your half right here but nintendo also didn't think the gameplay will work but he also said that it wouldn't fit with the wii's audience. So its due too affordability,gameplay issues and not fitting with audience. Quote is here

"While impressed with the tech, Nintendo passed on it, as Iwata did not feel the tech was a fit for Wii."

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dsister said:
osamanobama said:

wait, you were being serious? yikes

I'm still waiting, sarcastic responses are good and all, but they don't get you anywhere... 

joke posts dont deserve substantiated answers.

the answer is very obvious, you'll be able to figure it out, i have (some) faith in you



osamanobama said:

joke posts dont deserve substantiated answers.

the answer is very obvious, you'll be able to figure it out, i have (some) faith in you


I haven't joked one time with you in this thread. All my posts have been serious, see that's how you debate, you bring up a point and I bring up points to counter it. 

Not you counter my point with an insult then continue to dodge the legitimate question. So I'll ask again, before you get blocked... 

What makes Uncharted and Killzone so "hardcore" that's lacking in Kinectimals/Kinect Sports?

Should be an easy question to answer if it's so obvious



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