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Lafiel said:

justinian said:

On the other hand in the console business, the xbox sold more than the gamecube so was therefore "more successful" and "it finished second", even though the xbox lost $bns and gamecube made money.

I've heard this one pretty often, but .. did it really make money?

Nintendo was in the black during GC era, yes, but at the same time Nintendo also had the very successful Gameboy Advanced and launched the DS, which (very soon) is  going to be the best sold console ever (I'm aware that it didn't really take off until almost the very end of GC business though), yet people seem to attribute Nintendo's good performance to the GC? Is there any information in the financial reports that supports this ?

edit: happy now Holocaust? *rollseyes*


There was a profits chart released a while back showing a breakdown of the each manufacturer's performance.

On all systems Nintendo was in the black. I'll try to find it. It's improtant to remember as well that unlike MS and Sony Nintendo sell their consoles at a pretty high profit margin while the other two sell theirs at a loss at launch and  for a long while after.

@ epicberserk

who said: "xbox 360 has been in the green for a few years now and has gotten out of debt from the xbox 1 for like 3 years now".

C'mon man, show some common sense. The xbox lost around $4bn (or so I read, lets say $3bn for arguments sake). Are you seriously saying that the x360 has made a profit of even $2bn to cover this at the same time cover it's own operating cost in 3years?

One more thing. MS DO NOT release figures for the x360, only for their EDD.  These are the figures you see. How you came to the above conclusion without MS  releasing x360 individual profit details is indeed amazing.

The EDD hasn't made no where near that in 3yrs in profits, far less the x360.

 



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d21lewis said:

In B4 that chick in Carl's sig stops shaking her boobies!


It will be a sad day when that happens.



Lafiel said:

justinian said:

On the other hand in the console business, the xbox sold more than the gamecube so was therefore "more successful" and "it finished second", even though the xbox lost $bns and gamecube made money.

I've heard this one pretty often, but .. did it really make money?

Nintendo was in the black during GC era, yes, but at the same time Nintendo also had the very successful Gameboy Advanced and launched the DS, which (very soon) is  going to be the best sold console ever (I'm aware that it didn't really take off until almost the very end of GC business though), yet people seem to attribute Nintendo's good performance to the GC? Is there any information in the financial reports that supports this ?

edit: happy now Holocaust? *rollseyes*

There's no definite proof (as in a breakdown between home console and handheld in a financial report), but going by common sense it's very probable that the Gamecube ultimately was a profitable product.

As far as I know, the system was sold at a small loss initially. A few dollars per unit, so something that was offset as soon as someone bought at least one game to go with it. The profit margins per copy for home console software are considerably higher than for handheld games, so Nintendo pretty sure was making enough money to cover all R&D and marketing costs as well as profiting several hundred million dollars off of it. Another advantage of home consoles is more accessories being sold (like additional controllers), so yeah...



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epicberserk said:
RolStoppable said:
epicberserk said:

xbox 360 has been in the green for a few years now and has gotten out of debt from the xbox 1 for like 3 years now

This is wrong. The Xbox 360 has recovered its own losses, but is still far away from having made back all the money that was lost on the first Xbox.

On topic: Unlike in the past, now I think the PS3 is going to make it. Microsoft has done everything they realistically could, but it's not going to be enough in the end. Sony will continue their global expansion and thus gain a first mover advantage over Microsoft in all those countries where the PS3 officially launched/will launch before the 360. Sales in each country individually probably won't be much to speak of, but it all adds up over time.

nope you are very wrong 360 has been profitable every quarter since 2008

This was not the point he contested.



Who wins? It depends on how long this generation will last. The longer this generation lasts, the greater the likelihood for the PS3 to pull ahead of the 360.

Not to be a pollyana, there are no winners or losers in the cutthroat sense.

Nintendo with the Wii has redeemed itself for the sales failures of the N64 and GC (in comparison to the PS1 and PS2).

Sony with the PS3 has shown that if given close to a decade, it can finish strong....as a runner-up to Nintendo's champion.

Microsoft with the 360 is just happy to be selling consoles and building off the success of the Xbox.

Back to my point of the length of this generation. The PS3 is highly reminiscent of the Atari 2600. Both were built to last for a decade or more, both intend to create a generation which lasts a decade or more, and both are iconic consoles for different reasons.

The PS3 from 2006 until it's price drop in 2009 was the laughing stock and butt of many gamer's jokes. To go from the world-dominating, universe shattering megalith of a console that was the PS2 to a multi-billion dollar blackhole in the PS3 was the joke. A few price cuts and a 5 years later, the PS3 is now cool...Finally.

Don't think Nintendo and Microsoft are not well aware of Sony's stated intentions of grinding out this generation. If anything, Nintendo is going to crash Sony's party and force them to release a console before the PS3 decade is up. I stand by that prediction.



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It would seem that PS3 has 2nd place in the bag. If Sony follows their history and cuts price this year, I can't see 360 outselling it this holiday season. Last holiday was Microsoft's big chance to pull ahead by announcing a price cut of their own to go with their slim revision, but instead they likely decided to put all their eggs in the Kinect basket hoping it would be enough to carry 360 sales above PS3 sales which it hasn't. Even if Microsoft cut price now, unless they can cut more off the already cheap 360 than Sony can off the still fairly expensive PS3, then it won't put them ahead.

We'll have a much better estimate of what Sony's plans are when their fiscal report comes out later this month. But if a $199 PS3 is on the cards, the battle for 2nd is pretty much over.



just for the lulz - ps3 already outsold the 360 if you align the launches.

**attempts to align the launches in VGC's robust charting features ... fail**



The PS3 might win in 2012, yay go PS3



Zlejedi said:
binary solo said:
d21lewis said:

In B4 that chick in Carl's sig stops shaking her boobies!

She better not stop shaking her boobies!

What's this thread about again?

It's about Carl boobies?

Hmmm not sure I like that mental image. No offence Carl.



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Who's got more momentum at the end of the generation, wins. Remember: there can be only one!

So ps3 is winning all along the line, unless MS somehow manages to invert the tide.