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everdom said:

I still find it crazy how many people are supporting Sony in this..

Its brand loyalty gone absolutely batshit insane!

QFT!

Absolutely bonkers, I mean this isn't anything like with geohot, and their still here.

I'm beginning to think these people would support anything if it had Sony involved, read into that what you will but think recent wars etc.

Madness I tell ya!



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Ail said:
buglebum said:
Icyedge said:
buglebum said:
Icyedge said:
 

The point is that its Sony or Microsoft choice to sue an hacker if he release complete or part of their software. If its not doing them any bad they will obviously not sue them (kinect case), this doesnt mean they couldnt if they wanted.

On topic, now the guy is pretty much guilty since he admit releasing the hypervisor code for download.

PS.: May I remind everyone that on PS2 there has been boot disc and mod chip for years without sony sueing anyone.


He's not releasing, or ever going to release "hypervisor code".

It's his code, and his research that he's releasing.

Please do some googling and investigation and you will see this is one of the good guys that has specifically been very careful not to break any laws.


Stop you nonsense bubblegum, its getting ridiculous. When you have tool to reverse engineer or to make custom firmware you have automatically part or full of the original code in it. Its linked together.

"Guys, i don’t joke, it’s serious.
And to prove it, i kept my word and uploaded all my HV reversing stuff."

That isn't true in the slightest, what makes you think that?

The end user downloads the original Sony firmware, the hacker provides the tools to modify that firmware. The hacker provides no copyrighted code.

Even the decryption key that geohot provided isn't copyrighted, since it can be derived by reversing without knowledge of trade secrets. It's questionable if a decryption key can even be copyrighted in the first place from my understanding but I can't be sure of that. Would be curious to know if anyone knows better.

Actually the law around reverse engineering are quite complex.

I know about them because I deal with them on a professional level.

I'm not sure about hardware but on the software level for example it's quite complex.

Lets say you want to make an application that reads excel files. It is not legal to purchase a copy of excel and use it to reverse engineer how excel saves its files...

What you can do it get public available excel files and try to understand what those files contain. But at a business level it is illegal if the developer doing the reverse engineering  has access to the application he is targeting.

What most companies do to get around this is they subcontract that work and the contractor asks for the original company  to create a bunch of excel files with specifics characteristics and then to provide those to him ( and that is legal).

I'm not aware of any company every trying to apply those rules to non company entities, but they are there........

I guess following those rules you could argue those hackers ran the original Sony software to see how it works so that they could change it's behavior through a mod, and technically that's a grey area ( but like I said I'm not aware of anyone ever suing anyone except a business over something like this..)


Yup that's the thing I'm referring to, indeed, grey area like you say.

There was a big case with this going on a few years ago, can't for the life of me remember, or even remember the term for this type of reversing in a closed environment. "white room", "clean room"...something like that, was just looking at it on wikipedia the other day....Oh thats OT, sorry but anyways this is going to be interesting how it all pans out.



buglebum said:
everdom said:

I still find it crazy how many people are supporting Sony in this..

Its brand loyalty gone absolutely batshit insane!

QFT!

Absolutely bonkers, I mean this isn't anything like with geohot, and their still here.

I'm beginning to think these people would support hitler if he changed his last name to Sony

Reminds me of the whole Rootkit fiasco. Loyalty is blind I guess.



Anyone can guess. It takes no effort to throw out lots of predictions and have some of them be correct. You are not and wiser or better for having your guesses be right. Even a blind man can hit the bullseye.

Grimes said:
buglebum said:
everdom said:

I still find it crazy how many people are supporting Sony in this..

Its brand loyalty gone absolutely batshit insane!

QFT!

Absolutely bonkers, I mean this isn't anything like with geohot, and their still here.

I'm beginning to think these people would support hitler if he changed his last name to Sony

Reminds me of the whole Rootkit fiasco. Loyalty is blind I guess.

Let's not forget how they bullied Lik Sang and Bleem out of the market.



buglebum said:
Spankey said:

Well, the law is the law until it's repealed , whether it's liked or not.

methinks Mr. Chocobuns or w/e is in for a nasty shock.


The law is the law...Ummm, yes...but you do realise this man hasn't actually been found guilty of anything.

Absolutely correct - he hasn't, yet.

People are generally apprehended and arrested before they go to trial. is that wrong?

The police will not just raid a house on a random whim, and especially if it's not something to do with drugs, weapons or child porn etc. and even then they'd usually need some form of warrant. They would need the court's go-ahead to do this raid, so someone in the chain thinks that Sony and the law have enough to bring this guy and/or his stuff to book.

if he's got nothing to worry about, we'll find out soon enough and I'm sure he'll be entitled to collect compensation of some sort.



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Who gives a shit, they are facking parasites , they fuck the PC gaming.

now that PC gaming is in the shit they want to fuck the console Gaming .

 

 

SONY i support you !!! Hit them hard !!!  muahmuahmuahahahahhahahahha



 

Grimes said:
buglebum said:
everdom said:

I still find it crazy how many people are supporting Sony in this..

Its brand loyalty gone absolutely batshit insane!

QFT!

Absolutely bonkers, I mean this isn't anything like with geohot, and their still here.

I'm beginning to think these people would support hitler if he changed his last name to Sony

Reminds me of the whole Rootkit fiasco. Loyalty is blind I guess.


It is the whole ideal, if it doesn't effect me, I shouldn't care about it.

For most sony fans linux removal didn't effect them, and most of them arguably have no idea what rootkit is. They see sony as the saint that can do no wrong. As much as I like sony products, I can't say I feel sorry for them or support them, they have yet to target an actual pirate.  



 

Americant_heroxbox said:
chocoloco said:
Beuli2 said:
chocoloco said:

Yeah grab it guys. I guess it is time I reveal my true identity to all of vgchartz. I don't joke Graf_chokolo.

Holy shit I had no idea!

Thank god they are letting me write still from my jail cell.

 

you lie, according to google search this is chocoloco:

 

http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/7/l_958fe5e83db44743a96269d8534cdd54.jpg

 

Hey I tan really well in the summer.



Best stay on the fence on this case. The people taking this way too seriously either way need to chill out.



hackers have been let off too easily for far too long.

if microsoft stop being cowards and join sony along with nintendo and other large media companies they can prevent piracy at its roots.

when that dipshit gets fined, others will be more wary and if everyone media company fines every hacker, few people will be likely to do it.

well done sony, keep at it until most of them are in jail or face fines they cant pay even if they work their entire lives. should teach them a lesson.