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^^ Replies are gettin too long lol.  I dont necessarily think that people are too slow to learn how to put a pc together or simply read instructions, its the fact that they dont want to due to several reasons such as lack of time, intimdation and lack of knowledge (intimidation is the result).  Good point about individuals struggling with various, random things due to varying degrees of difficulty.  I was only using the fake christmas tree as an example that was generally accepted as something viewed as fairly simple to put together, but do realize that there are certain models that can cause trouble even for those who are competent with these types of things.   



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ssj12 said:

Most bedrooms have a small TV in the room. I have my TV next to my PC monitor. Its a 720p TV. Most people have a TV and a DVD player in their rooms. Its basically standard now. So the TV in the room was originally purchased for other means. It can easily be used for a PC monitor.

And yes, some people have issues with certain things, those same people having issues with a fake christmas trees coiuld easily be quite small financial guys. And even I had issues with my fake christmass tree as it has like 7 plugs, was frustrating as hell to jigsaw it together in the correct order. Thats why Im going with a real tree next christmas. People have trouble with random things. Not everyone is slow enough to not figure out how to build a PC.  Like I said, its playing with LEGOs pretty much. There is less and less different ports and stuff to stick things in. Everything is pretty straight forward. Female molex to male molex, sata to sata sockets, PCIe card into PCIe sockets, power cords to power cords, and CPU grease cooler.  And of course mobo screws in correct places following the guide that comes with the case.

It is like playing with LEGO... if LEGO was build by midgets for other midgets! Maybe its just me but I simply could not get my cable management right without help. Even with a HAF-X one of the freakin biggest case aroud, I still spent 6 damn hours getting the cable neat and I had to buy extra cables and get help from a girlfriend with daintly lil figures because my hand was too big and clumsy to fit some of the socket in (and I am by far from a big guy being Asian).

I love building computers, its great fun really! But it is definitely a love-hate relationship :)




mibuokami said:
ssj12 said:

Most bedrooms have a small TV in the room. I have my TV next to my PC monitor. Its a 720p TV. Most people have a TV and a DVD player in their rooms. Its basically standard now. So the TV in the room was originally purchased for other means. It can easily be used for a PC monitor.

And yes, some people have issues with certain things, those same people having issues with a fake christmas trees coiuld easily be quite small financial guys. And even I had issues with my fake christmass tree as it has like 7 plugs, was frustrating as hell to jigsaw it together in the correct order. Thats why Im going with a real tree next christmas. People have trouble with random things. Not everyone is slow enough to not figure out how to build a PC.  Like I said, its playing with LEGOs pretty much. There is less and less different ports and stuff to stick things in. Everything is pretty straight forward. Female molex to male molex, sata to sata sockets, PCIe card into PCIe sockets, power cords to power cords, and CPU grease cooler.  And of course mobo screws in correct places following the guide that comes with the case.

It is like playing with LEGO... if LEGO was build by midgets for other midgets! Maybe its just me but I simply could not get my cable management right without help. Even with a HAF-X one of the freakin biggest case aroud, I still spent 6 damn hours getting the cable neat and I had to buy extra cables and get help from a girlfriend with daintly lil figures because my hand was too big and clumsy to fit some of the socket in (and I am by far from a big guy being Asian).

I love building computers, its great fun really! But it is definitely a love-hate relationship :)

cable management is probably the most annoying part, and its mostly based on the case. My case the management was amazing. Wire ties help big time.

I have a NZXT Phantom. =]



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ssj12 said:
mibuokami said:
ssj12 said:

Most bedrooms have a small TV in the room. I have my TV next to my PC monitor. Its a 720p TV. Most people have a TV and a DVD player in their rooms. Its basically standard now. So the TV in the room was originally purchased for other means. It can easily be used for a PC monitor.

And yes, some people have issues with certain things, those same people having issues with a fake christmas trees coiuld easily be quite small financial guys. And even I had issues with my fake christmass tree as it has like 7 plugs, was frustrating as hell to jigsaw it together in the correct order. Thats why Im going with a real tree next christmas. People have trouble with random things. Not everyone is slow enough to not figure out how to build a PC.  Like I said, its playing with LEGOs pretty much. There is less and less different ports and stuff to stick things in. Everything is pretty straight forward. Female molex to male molex, sata to sata sockets, PCIe card into PCIe sockets, power cords to power cords, and CPU grease cooler.  And of course mobo screws in correct places following the guide that comes with the case.

It is like playing with LEGO... if LEGO was build by midgets for other midgets! Maybe its just me but I simply could not get my cable management right without help. Even with a HAF-X one of the freakin biggest case aroud, I still spent 6 damn hours getting the cable neat and I had to buy extra cables and get help from a girlfriend with daintly lil figures because my hand was too big and clumsy to fit some of the socket in (and I am by far from a big guy being Asian).

I love building computers, its great fun really! But it is definitely a love-hate relationship :)

cable management is probably the most annoying part, and its mostly based on the case. My case the management was amazing. Wire ties help big time.

I have a NZXT Phantom. =]

Very sexy case, but I dislike the plastic look of the front panel. Plus I don't have space for the case to be on the floor and having a full tower with top mounted panel on a high table is a pain. The cable management of the Phantom looks waaay superior to the HAF-X and stock cooling features looks better too, its definitly the better case, but design wise, I like the big bulky 'I'm Space Marine tech' look of the Haf-X over the 'hey I'm a space age Mac' look of the Phantom.

Petty I know, but I have OCD issue when it comes to aesthetics :P




TX109 said:
ssj12 said:
qmoney88 said:
ssj12 said:
 


2. I remember a certain console starting selling at a lose at $599.99. For $599 you can build a decent PC. Just stick with AMD.

3. Other then the bad port, PC games normally aren't very glitchy at all. No worse then the best console game, but most of the time better.

cmon man, can you really use that argument for number 2?  While 599 can net you a fairly decent setup (and by decent I mean Barely) that doesnt negate the fact that now the same console is half that price and the games just keep getting better.  In order to see an improvement in software purchased for a pc, you must upgrade, something that developers do for you on consoles.  Tell me one game you can play on a $599  rig thats going to look as good as kz3, uc2 etc.  Now tell me one game that you can play on a $299 rig that can play any new major release period.  Fact is console gaming is much more convenient and less expensive for those who only purchase a handful of titles througout ownership of said console.  I happen to be fortunate enough to own a good gaming pc, 360, and ps3, but not everyone does and a $299 price tag is much more alluring then say a $1200 pc that allows you to play games with negligible amounts of increased fidelity. 

Furthermore, most people do not want to spend the time to learn the ins and outs of pc care and how to upgrade without screwing everything up.  Most times, there is much tweaking and adjusting settings that needs to be done in order to fully enjoy everything a game has to offer, not to mention picking up an hd monitor and the right accessories.  While the same could be said for consoles needing hdtv's, nowadays most individuals who own these systems already own an hdtv of some sort since they are fairly cheap compared to a few years ago and use them for other means in addition to their console(s).  Console gaming is the number one form of entertainment for one reason:  accessbility. 

1. a $1200 is far from ever needed and is for enthusiasts like me only. $400 - $600 for a PC is enough to run anything for the next 2 - 4 years without worrying about the latest graphics as you will be able to run Crysis 2 on high with a $600 PC. And a $300 PC, Crysis 1 easily on enthusiast which is better looking then KZ3 and UC2.

2. Everything but the processor and HDD are plug-in play. Even GPUs are... only high-end GPUs require additional power sources beyond what the PCIe x16 slot gives. And even then its a basic setup. Plus games now scan your system and auto-adjust the settings. Most of the time they autoset to low, but that's a good thing for people who don't want to mess with settings.

3. 1080p HDTVs still are not cheap, especially 3DTVs which is the new norm for PS3 games. For the cost of a good 3DTV console games accessories, you will easily dwarf the cost of my rig and purchase two more monitors with Nvidia's 3D vision glasses... and my rig is an enthusiast PC.

@bolded: I would honestly like to know where these numbers come from. everywhere i go for an estimate on a gaming PC tells me about $900-$1500, and that is a relatively low set-up according to them. i mean hell, my $1200 PC, which was bought brand new a year ago, has trouble running Oblivion let-alone Crysis on high.

you got ripped off then.  I built my PC less than a year ago for around $450 or so and I can play Oblivion on max settings, max resolution, everything you name it and not a slow down ever.  Don't have crysis cause didn't interest me, but hasn't been a game i haven' tbeen able to be on max so far that i have.  Can't wait for the Witcher 2 and Diablo 3.  



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irstupid said:
TX109 said:
ssj12 said:
qmoney88 said:
ssj12 said:
 


2. I remember a certain console starting selling at a lose at $599.99. For $599 you can build a decent PC. Just stick with AMD.

3. Other then the bad port, PC games normally aren't very glitchy at all. No worse then the best console game, but most of the time better.

cmon man, can you really use that argument for number 2?  While 599 can net you a fairly decent setup (and by decent I mean Barely) that doesnt negate the fact that now the same console is half that price and the games just keep getting better.  In order to see an improvement in software purchased for a pc, you must upgrade, something that developers do for you on consoles.  Tell me one game you can play on a $599  rig thats going to look as good as kz3, uc2 etc.  Now tell me one game that you can play on a $299 rig that can play any new major release period.  Fact is console gaming is much more convenient and less expensive for those who only purchase a handful of titles througout ownership of said console.  I happen to be fortunate enough to own a good gaming pc, 360, and ps3, but not everyone does and a $299 price tag is much more alluring then say a $1200 pc that allows you to play games with negligible amounts of increased fidelity. 

Furthermore, most people do not want to spend the time to learn the ins and outs of pc care and how to upgrade without screwing everything up.  Most times, there is much tweaking and adjusting settings that needs to be done in order to fully enjoy everything a game has to offer, not to mention picking up an hd monitor and the right accessories.  While the same could be said for consoles needing hdtv's, nowadays most individuals who own these systems already own an hdtv of some sort since they are fairly cheap compared to a few years ago and use them for other means in addition to their console(s).  Console gaming is the number one form of entertainment for one reason:  accessbility. 

1. a $1200 is far from ever needed and is for enthusiasts like me only. $400 - $600 for a PC is enough to run anything for the next 2 - 4 years without worrying about the latest graphics as you will be able to run Crysis 2 on high with a $600 PC. And a $300 PC, Crysis 1 easily on enthusiast which is better looking then KZ3 and UC2.

2. Everything but the processor and HDD are plug-in play. Even GPUs are... only high-end GPUs require additional power sources beyond what the PCIe x16 slot gives. And even then its a basic setup. Plus games now scan your system and auto-adjust the settings. Most of the time they autoset to low, but that's a good thing for people who don't want to mess with settings.

3. 1080p HDTVs still are not cheap, especially 3DTVs which is the new norm for PS3 games. For the cost of a good 3DTV console games accessories, you will easily dwarf the cost of my rig and purchase two more monitors with Nvidia's 3D vision glasses... and my rig is an enthusiast PC.

@bolded: I would honestly like to know where these numbers come from. everywhere i go for an estimate on a gaming PC tells me about $900-$1500, and that is a relatively low set-up according to them. i mean hell, my $1200 PC, which was bought brand new a year ago, has trouble running Oblivion let-alone Crysis on high.

you got ripped off then.  I built my PC less than a year ago for around $450 or so and I can play Oblivion on max settings, max resolution, everything you name it and not a slow down ever.  Don't have crysis cause didn't interest me, but hasn't been a game i haven' tbeen able to be on max so far that i have.  Can't wait for the Witcher 2 and Diablo 3.  

I very highly doubt i was "ripped-off". the system does pretty much everything i need it to. its got good memory and what not, and its a Gateway(might have something to do with it). Also this PC is meant to do more than just games mind you.



                                                                                                  
TX109 said:
irstupid said:
TX109 said:
ssj12 said:
qmoney88 said:
ssj12 said:
 


2. I remember a certain console starting selling at a lose at $599.99. For $599 you can build a decent PC. Just stick with AMD.

3. Other then the bad port, PC games normally aren't very glitchy at all. No worse then the best console game, but most of the time better.

cmon man, can you really use that argument for number 2?  While 599 can net you a fairly decent setup (and by decent I mean Barely) that doesnt negate the fact that now the same console is half that price and the games just keep getting better.  In order to see an improvement in software purchased for a pc, you must upgrade, something that developers do for you on consoles.  Tell me one game you can play on a $599  rig thats going to look as good as kz3, uc2 etc.  Now tell me one game that you can play on a $299 rig that can play any new major release period.  Fact is console gaming is much more convenient and less expensive for those who only purchase a handful of titles througout ownership of said console.  I happen to be fortunate enough to own a good gaming pc, 360, and ps3, but not everyone does and a $299 price tag is much more alluring then say a $1200 pc that allows you to play games with negligible amounts of increased fidelity. 

Furthermore, most people do not want to spend the time to learn the ins and outs of pc care and how to upgrade without screwing everything up.  Most times, there is much tweaking and adjusting settings that needs to be done in order to fully enjoy everything a game has to offer, not to mention picking up an hd monitor and the right accessories.  While the same could be said for consoles needing hdtv's, nowadays most individuals who own these systems already own an hdtv of some sort since they are fairly cheap compared to a few years ago and use them for other means in addition to their console(s).  Console gaming is the number one form of entertainment for one reason:  accessbility. 

1. a $1200 is far from ever needed and is for enthusiasts like me only. $400 - $600 for a PC is enough to run anything for the next 2 - 4 years without worrying about the latest graphics as you will be able to run Crysis 2 on high with a $600 PC. And a $300 PC, Crysis 1 easily on enthusiast which is better looking then KZ3 and UC2.

2. Everything but the processor and HDD are plug-in play. Even GPUs are... only high-end GPUs require additional power sources beyond what the PCIe x16 slot gives. And even then its a basic setup. Plus games now scan your system and auto-adjust the settings. Most of the time they autoset to low, but that's a good thing for people who don't want to mess with settings.

3. 1080p HDTVs still are not cheap, especially 3DTVs which is the new norm for PS3 games. For the cost of a good 3DTV console games accessories, you will easily dwarf the cost of my rig and purchase two more monitors with Nvidia's 3D vision glasses... and my rig is an enthusiast PC.

@bolded: I would honestly like to know where these numbers come from. everywhere i go for an estimate on a gaming PC tells me about $900-$1500, and that is a relatively low set-up according to them. i mean hell, my $1200 PC, which was bought brand new a year ago, has trouble running Oblivion let-alone Crysis on high.

you got ripped off then.  I built my PC less than a year ago for around $450 or so and I can play Oblivion on max settings, max resolution, everything you name it and not a slow down ever.  Don't have crysis cause didn't interest me, but hasn't been a game i haven' tbeen able to be on max so far that i have.  Can't wait for the Witcher 2 and Diablo 3.  

I very highly doubt i was "ripped-off". the system does pretty much everything i need it to. its got good memory and what not, and its a Gateway(might have something to do with it). Also this PC is meant to do more than just games mind you.

A 1200 dollar PC from last year that has trouble running Oblivion on High settings? I'm sorry, that's just impossible from every technical standpoint conceived by man unless someone sold you a really old rig and masked it as new. No, for real, its completely impossible no matter what.

Seriously; that's a load of croc, even shitty mini laptops in the 300 dollar range can do this. Post your specs (if you have them), I would very much like to see this magical device of yours.



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Mummelmann said:
TX109 said:
irstupid said:
TX109 said:
ssj12 said:
qmoney88 said:
ssj12 said:
 


2. I remember a certain console starting selling at a lose at $599.99. For $599 you can build a decent PC. Just stick with AMD.

3. Other then the bad port, PC games normally aren't very glitchy at all. No worse then the best console game, but most of the time better.

cmon man, can you really use that argument for number 2?  While 599 can net you a fairly decent setup (and by decent I mean Barely) that doesnt negate the fact that now the same console is half that price and the games just keep getting better.  In order to see an improvement in software purchased for a pc, you must upgrade, something that developers do for you on consoles.  Tell me one game you can play on a $599  rig thats going to look as good as kz3, uc2 etc.  Now tell me one game that you can play on a $299 rig that can play any new major release period.  Fact is console gaming is much more convenient and less expensive for those who only purchase a handful of titles througout ownership of said console.  I happen to be fortunate enough to own a good gaming pc, 360, and ps3, but not everyone does and a $299 price tag is much more alluring then say a $1200 pc that allows you to play games with negligible amounts of increased fidelity. 

Furthermore, most people do not want to spend the time to learn the ins and outs of pc care and how to upgrade without screwing everything up.  Most times, there is much tweaking and adjusting settings that needs to be done in order to fully enjoy everything a game has to offer, not to mention picking up an hd monitor and the right accessories.  While the same could be said for consoles needing hdtv's, nowadays most individuals who own these systems already own an hdtv of some sort since they are fairly cheap compared to a few years ago and use them for other means in addition to their console(s).  Console gaming is the number one form of entertainment for one reason:  accessbility. 

1. a $1200 is far from ever needed and is for enthusiasts like me only. $400 - $600 for a PC is enough to run anything for the next 2 - 4 years without worrying about the latest graphics as you will be able to run Crysis 2 on high with a $600 PC. And a $300 PC, Crysis 1 easily on enthusiast which is better looking then KZ3 and UC2.

2. Everything but the processor and HDD are plug-in play. Even GPUs are... only high-end GPUs require additional power sources beyond what the PCIe x16 slot gives. And even then its a basic setup. Plus games now scan your system and auto-adjust the settings. Most of the time they autoset to low, but that's a good thing for people who don't want to mess with settings.

3. 1080p HDTVs still are not cheap, especially 3DTVs which is the new norm for PS3 games. For the cost of a good 3DTV console games accessories, you will easily dwarf the cost of my rig and purchase two more monitors with Nvidia's 3D vision glasses... and my rig is an enthusiast PC.

@bolded: I would honestly like to know where these numbers come from. everywhere i go for an estimate on a gaming PC tells me about $900-$1500, and that is a relatively low set-up according to them. i mean hell, my $1200 PC, which was bought brand new a year ago, has trouble running Oblivion let-alone Crysis on high.

you got ripped off then.  I built my PC less than a year ago for around $450 or so and I can play Oblivion on max settings, max resolution, everything you name it and not a slow down ever.  Don't have crysis cause didn't interest me, but hasn't been a game i haven' tbeen able to be on max so far that i have.  Can't wait for the Witcher 2 and Diablo 3.  

I very highly doubt i was "ripped-off". the system does pretty much everything i need it to. its got good memory and what not, and its a Gateway(might have something to do with it). Also this PC is meant to do more than just games mind you.

A 1200 dollar PC from last year that has trouble running Oblivion on High settings? I'm sorry, that's just impossible from every technical standpoint conceived by man unless someone sold you a really old rig and masked it as new. No, for real, its completely impossible no matter what.

Seriously; that's a load of croc, even shitty mini laptops in the 300 dollar range can do this. Post your specs (if you have them), I would very much like to see this magical device of yours.


like i said, the memory is fine and all. i think it might have something to do with the graphics card. something like an ATI HD3200. im not an expert on this stuff. and no it is not impossible. im pretty sure that it has trouble running the game.



                                                                                                  

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Oblivion is hardly demanding.
A Radeon 3200 can be overclocked, when overclocked you can max Oblivion out at a 1024x768 resolution, provided of course your IGP (It's a GPU built into the motherboard) has Sideport memory.
Got a Radeon 3000 IGP in my secondary rig; overclocked the IGP to 1ghz and I can max Oblivion out and run Crysis on Medium at 1024x768.

However with that said... Even the lowest of low-end cards outperform the Radeon 3000/3100/3200/3300/4200/4250/4290 (They are all essentially the same performing parts just with different clock speeds.)

A cheap card like a Radeon 5450 would provide multiple times more performance.

But Oblivion demanding? Hardly.
You can run it on 10 year old Graphics cards with the assistance of Oldblivion.



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