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Darc Requiem said:
MikeB said:
@ Darc Requiem

Hell people still call Gears of War a FPS. Which if thats the case, i guess Uncharted is an FPS too.


Gears is very similar to a FPS, changing Motorstorm from a 3rd view perspective to an incar view still keeps the game being a racing game at its core. In some FPS games you can actually change your point of view to a 3rd person view perspective, would this make a new gerne?

Uncharted is far more about platforming (climbing, jumping to edges, balancing, etc) with significant shooter elements dropped in, most similar game would be the Tomb Raider games.

Gears of War isn't an FPS though. Cut the semantics, you were wrong period. Just because MGS has a first person view does not make it an FPS. On my second playthrough of Mass Effect my character specialized in sniping. It spent a good deal of the game in a first person view via Sniper scope. That doesn't make Mass Effect a FPS, it is still an RPG. The line you quoted me on was a sarcastic quip meant to be ridiculous because its untrue. Uncharted is not an FPS, neither is Gears of War. That was the whole point of the statement.

 

I don't think I called Gears a FPS in this thread, but IMO the game appeals to FPS fans for sure. It the game has a lot in common with a FPS apart from viewpoint, Uncharted differs far more.

Would you agree Warhawk is a shooter similar to a FPS, appealing to a similar user base with online multiplayer shooting? I agree it's different from the traditional shooters as you can fly up high in the sky and participate in dogfights as well as fight on the ground.



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MikeB said:

I agree with you, most XBox 360 owners are FPS fans (due to games like Call of Duty, BioShock and Gears), so releasing a game like Halo 3 will do very well amongst its userbase as will other 3D shooters like Mass Effect. Halo 1 and Halo 2 were the original XBox' most important games, so I think it's not much of a surprise. The Wii has a much larger percentage of yound kids and females playing, while PS3 and XBox 360 is preferred by older teen and mature males according to surveys......

I don't think I called Gears a FPS in this thread, but IMO the game appeals to FPS fans for sure. It the game has a lot in common with a FPS apart from viewpoint, Uncharted differs far more.


You didn't call it a FPS directly. Although it was implied in the first line of the post that quoted you on. So I apologize for assuming that you called it an FPS directly. That said, Mass Effect isn't a 3D shooter. It is an RPG.

@Kn, there are differen't classes in Mass Effect and you can become in proficient in Sniper rifles with a few of them. I will be honest with you though. Sniping in Mass Effect isn't every effective initially. Once you put points into your sniping and get a hold of some good weapon mods (Kinetic Coils/Stabilizers) it become extremely effective. On several of the uncharted planet missions I was able to wipe out all my enemies with out them so much as sniffing my position. Mass Effect is awesome. I have completed it twice and I'm ready to start my third playthrough.



@ Darc Requiem

That said, Mass Effect isn't a 3D shooter. It is an RPG.


I would say it's a mix.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=df1lMRdcO2s

Mass Effect is awesome.


If only the game didn't have severe framerate issues, shouldn't happen so much in PS3 and XBox 360 games IMO (identical specs should allow for good optimisation, almost looks like many games were intended for PCs and the devs did a bad job porting and Mass Effect is a high profile exclusive).



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Mass Effect is an RPG. How far have you got, MikeB?

It has heavy shooter elements in the combat system, but it still has 100% of everything that fits it into the RPG genre.

Its like arguing that Final Fantasy XII or KOTOR aren't RPGs because of the semi automated combat.



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MikeB said:
@ Darc Requiem

That said, Mass Effect isn't a 3D shooter. It is an RPG.


I would say it's a mix.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=df1lMRdcO2s

Mass Effect is awesome.


If only the game didn't have severe framerate issues, shouldn't happen so much in PS3 and XBox 360 games IMO (identical specs should allow for good optimisation, almost looks like many games were intended for PCs and the devs did a bad job porting and Mass Effect is a high profile exclusive).

Yeah, if only the developers had concetrated more effort on the graphics and less on storyline, gameplay and such then it would of been a real AAA like so many other PS3 games.

Edit: cleared it up a bit



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MikeB said:
@ Darc Requiem

That said, Mass Effect isn't a 3D shooter. It is an RPG.


I would say it's a mix.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=df1lMRdcO2s

Mass Effect is awesome.


If only the game didn't have severe framerate issues, shouldn't happen so much in PS3 and XBox 360 games IMO (identical specs should allow for good optimisation, almost looks like many games were intended for PCs and the devs did a bad job porting and Mass Effect is a high profile exclusive).

Like Assassin's Creed, Orange Box, Madden, Area 51, Pro Evo 08, Marvel, Skate, NCAA, et. all on PS3?

@ scotland yard

Like Assassin's Creed, Orange Box, Madden, Area 51, Pro Evo 08, Marvel, Skate, NCAA, et. all on PS3?


That's what I wrote, both PS3 and XBox 360 games. Reread what I wrote, I don't accept severe framerate issues for console games, if incompetent or the hardware being too weak to handle the current game engine, I think they should rather dumb down the game's visuals a little to result in a better framerate. (I understand good screenshots are important to help sales, but IMO reviewers should do their best pointing out the disadvantages)

The reasons for framerate issues in PS3 games are widely known and understood, but that doesn't need to be the case as demonstrated with for example Ratchet and Clank: Tools of Destruction or Unreal Tournament 3 (or GT5p for Japan), two of the most demanding console games currently available. And these games are only tapping into a minority of the Cell's performance potential.



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@ gebx

Yeah, if only the developers had concetrated more effort on the graphics and less on storyline, gameplay and such then it would of been a real AAA like so many other PS3 games.

Jesus, two people in a row misunderstanding what I wrote. Do you read what you want to read and just troll or was I really that unclear? Anyhow read the comment above as replied to someone else. 



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@ mrstickball

 

Mass Effect is an RPG. How far have you got, MikeB?

It has heavy shooter elements in the combat system

Reread what I wrote, as what you stated is exactly what I stated. Mass Effect is a RPG as well as a shooter, just like Uncharted is a platformer as well as a shooter.



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PS3 vs 360 sales