http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=275822

MGS4 isn't outselling MGS2, and it never will.  MGS3 was the 2nd MGS on PS2 (and it also likely had some simmering resentment over MGS2 controversial decisions), it's really not the one you should be comparing to.

People do the same thing with FFXII and FFXIII (when FFX should be the point for comparison).  They did it last gen too, comparing FFX to FFIX rather than FFVII, despite the fact that Square expected FFX to match FFVII sales (10m).

I remember MGS3 came out and i went to get it on a friday, the store i got it from in is probabily the second biggest games retailer chain in the UK.... i was the only person who bought MGS3 that day (in that store), guess what everyone else bought instead.....GT4.

Wrong.

It would if it got a Substance version like MGS2.

41 % of people voted it will be the best sellin gran turismo?

Gran Turismo is know for its long and strong legs (wheels in this case) and Halo is know big openning weeks. And Gran Turismo attracts more casual gaming audience, while Halo  is a strict core franchise, so the userbase argument fails. And how many other worth-playing games did original Xbox have besides Halo? Halo had no competition on original Xbox, mostly because of weak 3rd party support. PS2 on the other hand had tons of good quality games so Gran Turismo had much bigger competition.  As for the rest of your argument:

5 Gran Turismo games- 55 million copies sold      http://www.polyphony.co.jp/english/list.html (not counting PSP version, Concept series and GT4P)  

5 Halo games- Little over 30 million copies sold      http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=231667  

Freiza is right about 1 thing. GT5 is being released the week of Black Friday, typically a week where all games get a fairly large sales boost. So we know week 1 it will sell above 1.5 million units.

However this means nothing, you can't exactly compare GT5 week 1, or even month 1 sales to GT4 because it's being released right during the peak holiday window. It's like comparing Halo 2 to Halo 3, In the first 10 weeks Halo 2 outsold Halo 3 because of the November release date (vs september for Halo 3), however Halo 3 ended up selling 3 million more copies.

Also the ODST vs. GT5P comment was a pretty good one, except the numbers were off. (6 million vs 5, not 4).

He makes a good arguement for why GT5 will not sell 10 million units, I mean no PS3 games (nvm exclusive) has sold that well. People may say Uncharted, and God of War broke those sale ideologies (MGS4 was heavily bundled with the last backward compatible PS3), but those games are still only looking at roughly 4 million LTD sales. GT5 is of another league, it may not be as successful as prior installments, lets not forget GT for PSP.

I think both Freiza and the people who are debating with him should all calm down. Your entitled to your own opinion, lets not attack each other over it. 6-8 million is not entirely unrealistic (I'm predicting 9.3 btw).

I think all Freiza intended to do was attack the 40% of voters who beleive GT5 will outsell GT3, because....well it is a little over eggagerated. He was a bit rude, but being rude in return doesn't solve anything. I mean I see these same people attack others who predict sub-6 million, so how are you guys any different from Freiza?

Lets stop the bickering and all join in for a big hug <---I'm joking, don't touch me!!! AHHH!!!!! WHAT ARE YOU DOING IN MY HOUSE!!!!!!!!!!!!

He makes no good arguments, you only say he does casue you agree atleast partly with him.  

These guys are diffderant cause they get their point across in a more respectfull manner liek adults, not tamper throwing children.  They make intelligent points that make sense, not just opnion as fact like him.  

Sub 6 million aren't predictions they are troll jobs, 6-8 million is totally unealistic to anyone with a shread of smarts.

Outselling GT3 is very unlikely. But 4th place is at GT5 reach, with a good launch and intense bundling. Once achieved that, Sony should be able to see whether 3rd place is achievable too, and support sales to get it, but as current 2nd and 3rd place are very close to each other (less than 300k separe them), once decided to make the effort to get 3rd place, it would be natural to make it strong enough to get 2nd place too, for prestige reasons. Beyond that, no, 1st place is too far, so it couldn't be achieved just intensifying late life offers, whether it will be achievable or not will be most likely evident quite soon in GT5 life, as it will require every single phase of GT5 life to go very well, from launch, to Xmas, to bundling, to short and mid term legs, to late life offers, budget editions and bundles to extend its life as long as possible.