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Aiddon on 17 October 2010
Zlejedi said:
Aiddon said:

I can't see Lords of Shadow cracking 1 mil, let alone Enslaved which did even worse. The both of them will be lucky to hit 500K especially since the month of October is packed with other BIGGER games like Kirby, Rock Band 3, Fallout, Fable 3, Vanquish, Force Unleashed 2 and so on. As for post-holiday legs, I don't see that happening either.


Even Mirrors edge crawled into almost 2M combined sales so why you think Castlevania won't do that?

ME was a freakishly bizarre case that I haven't seen replicated. More than likely ME's case is NOT going to happen with Lords of Shadow and it's even less than likely to happen with Enslaved



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Slimebeast on 17 October 2010
Zlejedi said:
Slimebeast said:

Both Enslaved and Castlevania bombed so hard it's not even funny. Millions and millions $ lost.

Ninja Theory is lucky they secured the contract to make Devil MayCry5 for Capcom or else they would have been forced to close (they will disappear after DMC5 though).


Castlevania will have good legs from word of mouth which should carry it into 1,5-2M combined plus whatever they get from DLC and they are already working on sequel which will allow them to reuse assets.

Considering minimal advertising budget it will easily meet break even point or profit.

No chance.

If there was such a thing as word of mouth it would already have happened. There was a demo weeks ago and lots of pre-release footage.

Can you grasp how bad a 150k opening week is? It means 1 million lifetime is out of reach. And it means just like it did for Mirrors Edge that half of its sales will be from the bargain bin at $25 per copy sold.

Castlevania bombed incredibly hard and will lose many millions of Dollars.

With Patrik Stewart doing voice and all the games' other production values, game length, big marketing Castlevania would have needed at least 1.5 million to break even, probably 2 million. This is a $30 million budget game plus another $10 million for marketing.



ZechsMerquise on 17 October 2010
Slimebeast said:
Zlejedi said:
Slimebeast said:

Both Enslaved and Castlevania bombed so hard it's not even funny. Millions and millions $ lost.

Ninja Theory is lucky they secured the contract to make Devil MayCry5 for Capcom or else they would have been forced to close (they will disappear after DMC5 though).


Castlevania will have good legs from word of mouth which should carry it into 1,5-2M combined plus whatever they get from DLC and they are already working on sequel which will allow them to reuse assets.

Considering minimal advertising budget it will easily meet break even point or profit.

No chance.

If there was such a thing as word of mouth it would already have happened. There was a demo weeks ago and lots of pre-release footage.

Can you grasp how bad a 150k opening week is? It means 1 million lifetime is out of reach. And it means just like it did for Mirrors Edge that half of its sales will be from the bargain bin at $25 per copy sold.

Castlevania bombed incredibly hard and will lose many millions of Dollars.

With Patrik Stewart doing voice and all the games' other production values, game length, big marketing Castlevania would have needed at least 1.5 million to break even, probably 2 million. This is a $30 million budget game plus another $10 million for marketing.

Quote for truth. You defo seem to know what you're talking about. The break even points for games like this are really high. I remember when Spore came out on the PC, they said even with a million in sales it would still need to do more in terms of DLC and expansion sales to make it truly profitable. Big names like Patrick Stewart = big money.



pots555 on 18 October 2010

I am now on chapter 12 and I still think this is an amazing game.  Even more so than in the beginning.  But, I must face reality.  Word to mouth alone will not save this gem of a game from dissapointing sales.  Here is hoping the holiday season will help it a little.

In all honesty, I can understand the lack of appeal.  I have been on forums for the last hour concerning Fallout New Vegas.  This game will be HUGE!  I know it is an established license, but the buzz surrounding the release is big.

Enslaved, as a new license, never really stood a chance.  I am even prouder I bought it.

 



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patapon on 18 October 2010

I don't buy this. I'd bet $20 and my mother that wallets are feeling the hurt right now from these sales.

Considering these two games had A. good marketing and B. good critical reception, yet still somehow managed to bomb... I am C. scared shitless for Majin and the Forsaken Kingdom and D. already preparing for mass murder for when I find out patapon 3 only sold 20 copies... all of which are mine.



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d21lewis on 19 October 2010

I'm scared shitless, too.  My favorite genre is pretty much single player action adventures with high production values.  Are they dying now?  Both of these games are my cup of tea.  They did everything right, didn't they?  And yet nobody is buying them. Are we doomed to a future of rehashes and FPS's?  Alan Wake suffered like this too and I love that game.  Sucks that I'm in the minority.



FlyingLotus on 19 October 2010

Enslaved and castlevania havve some of the best graphics ever seen for 3rd party games.



SOLIDSNAKE08 said:

its been confirmed today that GT5 has a weather system, track editor and go karts! seriously i think this is going to be the best selling in the series even beating GT3 sales of 14 million plus!

Porcupine_I on 19 October 2010
FlyingLotus said:

Enslaved and castlevania havve some of the best graphics ever seen for 3rd party games.


castlevania has, enslaved doesn't.

that said, i enjoyed enslaved a lot more then castlevania



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smbu2000 on 19 October 2010
ZechsMerquise said:

Er... both Enslaved and Castlevania had very poor opening weeks. Castlevania less than 82k on either platform (worldwide) and Enslaved less than 42k on either platform (worldwide). They are poor numbers. And as we've already seen, with a few exceptions, PS3 and 360 games rely on their first week heavily. These are poor numbers and we could see either game struggling to break 500K.

Castlevania doesn't launch in Japan on the 360/PS3 until December. So the "opening week" total numbers should be a bit higher.




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ZechsMerquise on 19 October 2010
smbu2000 said:
ZechsMerquise said:

Er... both Enslaved and Castlevania had very poor opening weeks. Castlevania less than 82k on either platform (worldwide) and Enslaved less than 42k on either platform (worldwide). They are poor numbers. And as we've already seen, with a few exceptions, PS3 and 360 games rely on their first week heavily. These are poor numbers and we could see either game struggling to break 500K.

Castlevania doesn't launch in Japan on the 360/PS3 until December. So the "opening week" total numbers should be a bit higher.

Yes, it should push 100k on the PS3, wouldn't do much for the 360 release however!