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richardhutnik said:
SmokedHostage said:

Selling my 360.

It feels redundant to own one now that all the games to be released are sequels or Wii knockoffs.


Got it.  So, due to the second half of the show, Gears 3 and Halo Reach have disappeared off the face of the earth?  Oh yes, and Black Ops Fable 3 and Rising are no longer about either?

As I see it, Microsoft mentions they have all the top hardcore stuff in the first half.  In the second half, they do all Kinect stuff.

People make claims like that all the time. Nothing surprising here.

Besides, what's the going price for a used Xbox these days? $50? $100? Not even worth the effort. Just keep it and enjoy whatever few games fit the bill. Gears 3, Halo Reach and Fable 3 alone are worth it.



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the most disappointing thing was no FPS for kinect... i was hoping to see how they would make that work but no show here...

 

who else thinks that the crytek exclusive looks like a GOW game for XBox?



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lilc64 said:

lol people have to be joking"microsoft won e3"?? If sony nor nintendo top that underwhelming show 2010 e3 is a flop.They didnt show any games that would make a causal gamer pick kinect over the wii. The only hardcore games they showed were multi platform and gow and halo reach and i had so much interest in fable 3 but that demo was horrible. I mean the espn thing is pretty cool but making all your xbox interface voice activated and motion sensing isn't very amazing. Its like voice recognition on your cell phone, you play around with it in the beginning than you never use it again. While watching the chick do the kick boxing you clearly see how much kinect lagged behind her movements. What really gets me is where was the kinect intergation with HD games like halo reach or alan wake i didnt care about the wii sports.I dont get how people are saying this new xbox 360 at the same price point of the current ps3 will cause trouble, anyone with half a mind can see the ps3 still has more hardware and features in the current console.All this is my option but really?

That could have been video lag.  You know like how music games need you to calibrate your system sometimes because different screens have different lags.

But either way, no one showing it off seemed to have any problems successfully controling the games they were playing.

I wanted kinect to play traditional type games like Oblivion (NPC interaction) or to try on action games. I saw nothing like that, hense I have no interest in Kinect any more.  At this point Sony is probably going to top them with Move because at least it has non-gimicky games like Socom 4.

Fable 3 did look pretty weak, if they were so damned focused on Kinect why didn't they show us how it works in Fable 3?



Sardauk said:
BBH said:

If they sell a bundle with Kinect and Console for $300 - they will be making big losses



You have the figures ?

It's a very popular, educated guess.

Natal is probably being sold at MS's lowest point at the moment (ie Break even point). With a $300 bundle they are losing $150 - plus or minus any profit on the new 360 model.

Also take into account Kinect's huge marketing costs.



sergiodaly said:

the most disappointing thing was no FPS for kinect... i was hoping to see how they would make that work but no show here...

 

who else thinks that the crytek exclusive looks like a GOW game for XBox?

That's what I thought when it first came on :P




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richardhutnik said:
SmokedHostage said:

Selling my 360.

It feels redundant to own one now that all the games to be released are sequels or Wii knockoffs.

Got it.  So, due to the second half of the show, Gears 3 and Halo Reach have disappeared off the face of the earth?  Oh yes, and Black Ops Fable 3 and Rising are no longer about either?

As I see it, Microsoft mentions they have all the top hardcore stuff in the first half.  In the second half, they do all Kinect stuff.

I could be wrong, but I don't think SmokedHostage cares for shooters very much. Nor Kojima.



Maynard_Tool said:
morenoingrato said:
--OkeyDokey-- said:

I didn't see most of it, but it doesn't sound like I missed much. No megatons to be found here. Will probably wind up being the worst of the three.

I could see Nintendo taking it this year with Zelda reveal, rumored Donkey Kong revival and the 3DS. I just hope they don't spend too much time talking about Wii Party. I have a feeling Sony will be lacking in megatons too.


yeah, both sony and ms commited fatal mistakes for their conferences... leak their AAA games days before E3

 

at least that greediness and good secret keeping of nintendo will give us a mind blowing surprise conference.......

and if zelda wii isn't a surprise..... well.... has anyone seen a trailer or screenshot??



art, you don't know how the game actually looks



BBH said:
Sardauk said:
BBH said:

If they sell a bundle with Kinect and Console for $300 - they will be making big losses



You have the figures ?

It's a very popular, educated guess.

Natal is probably being sold at MS's lowest point at the moment (ie Break even point). With a $300 bundle they are losing $150 - plus or minus any profit on the new 360 model.

Also take into account Kinect's huge marketing costs.





Rainbird said:
morenoingrato said:
--OkeyDokey-- said:

I didn't see most of it, but it doesn't sound like I missed much. No megatons to be found here. Will probably wind up being the worst of the three.

I could see Nintendo taking it this year with Zelda reveal, rumored Donkey Kong revival and the 3DS. I just hope they don't spend too much time talking about Wii Party. I have a feeling Sony will be lacking in megatons too.

yeah, both sony and ms commited fatal mistakes for their conferences... leak their AAA games days before E3

Sony showed their games on purpose, wait and see what happens.


so you expect them to have a lot more than kz3, lbp2 and other stuff they leaked?



Legend11 said:
jarrod said:
Legend11 said:
Grimes said:

I see a BIG problem for Kinect right now.

They showed nothing about Kinect that will support the existing owners of Xbox 360s. No Halo or Gear support for Kinect. So there isn't a big incentive for these people to get it.

If the Kinect costs say $150, that will bring the total price to $450. No way in hell are you going to get many people to buy in at that price when the Wii costs $250 less.


The games for core gamers will take longer to make.  It's a little unreasonable to expect core games to be developed using a completely new control paradigm in one year or even a year and a half,

In Wii's first year and a half, Nintendo delivered...

 

  • The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
  • Excite Truck
  • Super Paper Mario
  • Pokemon Battle Revolution
  • Mario Strikers: Charged
  • Metroid Prime 3: Corruption
  • BWii: Batallion Wars II
  • Donkey Kong: Barrel Blast
  • Link's Crossbow Training
  • Super Mario Galaxy
  • Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn
  • Super Smash Bros. Brawl
  • Mario Kart Wii

...and almost all of them were present at E3 2006.  This in addition to new casual fare (Wii Sports, Wii Play, Endless Ocean, Wii Fit) and old adapted casual fare (Wario Ware: Smooth Moves, Big Brain Academy: Wii Degree, Mario Party 8).

So all those games took a year or a year and a half to make?  Sony may now be using the slogan "This Changes Everything" (or Apple or whoever they copied it from) but Kinect really does change everything for games.  It's much easier to tack on what amounts to a mouse in another form than it is to use something truly revolutionary like Kinect.

No, but they all came within a year and half of launch.  And most of them were shown off half a year before Wii launch too, which is exactly the timeline we see for Kinect.  And at the time, yes the Wiimote really did change everything for console games, and some developers still haven't come to grips with it.

Honestly, I just expected better.  Outside Forza 3, Kinect felt hugely one sided towards casuals, there was literally almost nothing present for the base to care about.  It's like Move's GDC flop all over again... maybe you didn't expect better from Microsoft, but I'm sad to say I did. :/