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"Sony’s earnings from TVs will probably improve by 100 billion yen this business year from a loss of 73 billion yen in the 12 months ended March 31, Oneda said. The loss at the Networked Products and Services Group may narrow, helped by demand for electronic readers, Vaio computers and PlayStation3 games consoles, Sony said.

The company stopped losing money from PS3 consoles in March and will likely post an annual profit of at least 1 billion yen this year from PS3, compared with a loss of about 50 billion yen in the year ended March 31, Oneda said.

Personal computer sales will probably rise to 8.8 million from 6.8 million, Sony said. The company projects sales of 15 million PS3s compared with 13 million sold a year earlier."

Source: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601101&sid=aOiVJ4dZARts

 

Now let me give you the information that is relevant here:

Oneda says: "The company stopped losing money from PS3 consoles in March and will likely post an annual profit of at least 1 billion yen this year from PS3, compared with a loss of about 50 billion yen in the year ended March 31."

 

Firstly let us work out what exactly he is saying.. He says that Sony lost 50 billion yen from PS3, does he mean the PS3 on its own lost that amount or is he saying the division that the PS3 is under lost that amount? Well here is the relevant information:

 

Networked Products & Services (GAME) (Millions of U.S. dollars)

-FY 2009: Operating Income (loss) $(893)

 

The division that houses the loss contributed by the PS3 made a net operating income loss of $893 million USD. $893 million USD converts to $82.54 billion Yen which is more than Oneda specified the PS3 contributed. One must then assume that the PS3 was entirely responsible for the $50 billion Yen loss he mentioned. 

Now that we have that assumption, we can also fairly certainly make the claim that Oneda was also being specific about the PS3 when he said: "The company stopped losing money from PS3 consoles in March and will likely post an annual profit of at least 1 billion yen this year from PS3." So how much money is 1 billion Yen in USD? Well it's $10.82 Million USD.

So Sony expects to make $10.82 Million USD off of 15M PS3's. That means that from now until the end of March 2011, each PS3 sold would make Sony an average of 72 cents...

Interesting, no?

 

Now consider that Oneda said "PS3" and thus far, I've taken it to mean "PS3 hardware" and not "PS3 platform" as one would expect. To come to the conclusion that Sony are profiting 72 cents per PS3 without taking into account other profitable parts of the PS3 platform like peripherals and games. So one HAS to come to the conclusion that a price cut is on it's way and because I don't want to look deeper into the numbers right now, I'm not going to speculate how much that price cut will be but I'd assume $50 would be the safe bet.



 

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72 cents? So if I donate Sony 1 dollar, they'd profit more than if I bough a PS3 with no games? Luckily for them, I'm feeling generous today.. :P

Seriously tho, I guess they're not taking into account the Software sales... it would be too bad.



I guess nobody disagrees with me xD



 

I can't argue with 72 cents.



Sony says they would like to make the PS3 profitable and you think Sony will throw it all away with a price cut. Sony already is supply constraining the US and Europe because they are eating a lot for each system sold.

I highly doubt that the PS3 will see a price cut. Sony will make their hardware changes which will net them some profit from the PS3 hardware and then they will ship more units to the US and Europe.



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Machiavellian said:
Sony says they would like to make the PS3 profitable and you think Sony will throw it all away with a price cut. Sony already is supply constraining the US and Europe because they are eating a lot for each system sold.

I highly doubt that the PS3 will see a price cut. Sony will make their hardware changes which will net them some profit from the PS3 hardware and then they will ship more units to the US and Europe.

Number one: http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/05/13/ps3_turns_profitable/ The PS3 is ALREADY profitable now.

Number two: Did you read the OP?

 



 

They have to drop the price if they want to get to 15 million, GT5 and Move won't be enough to move (haha) hardware up.



I don't disagree Puffy, but I think we need to consider the various problems that sony is currently having with the US exchange rate. While it is safe to assume Sony is now making money on every PS3 sold in Japan it appears to be the opposite in the US and I believe is the reason we are seeing a shortage in the US market.

If we a see a $50 price cut it will be an incredibly bullish move by Sony but their 15 million shipped statement seems to indicate that is where they are headed.



only if arcade price cut has an impact



They increased their projection to 15m.....

There is no way in hell they think that GT5 and move will TOP what a $100 did for ps3 and there is no way GT5 and move will make them reach 15m unless GT5 and move becomes the BIGGEST console pusher ever, just impossible.

Price cut is there , they need it if 15m is their target.