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joeorc said:
Bamboleo said:
joeorc said:
Bamboleo said:
joeorc said:
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Arius Dion said:
Bamboleo said:
@ joeorc

I have one single question for you.

If Sony was planning the PS Move since 2004 why this statement form themselves?

"I think the notion of that controller is a non-trivial point that you’ve brought up, that control and that familiarity is like comfort food - from my perspective, we lead, we don’t follow. And as a brand, Nintendo’s got their thing, and we’re not trying to get the senior citizen group to get into gaming"

", but we’d never consider iterating off of existing competitive technology - because we think that’s a fad and that’s not the way we approach product development. It’s not the way we approach the marketing or the branding of PlayStation."

I'd really like someone to explain this. A company that "is creating" a motion sensing pad trolling themselves? ;)

Ups ;)


LoL.

I wonder the amount of Spin Skill one needs to justify this.

Still waiting for a response ;)

 

 

ok spin this:

Inventors: Shimizu; Takao (Kyoto, JP); Suzuki; Toshiaki (Kyoto, JP)
Assignee: Nintendo Co., Ltd. (Kyoto, JP)
Appl. No.: 440111
Filed: May 19, 2003


BACKGROUND AND SUMMARY OF THE INVENTION

Japanese Patent Laid-Open Publication No. 2001-170358 discloses a game system (hereinafter, referred to as "a conventional technique") using a tilt sensor. In this conventional technique, when a handheld game device or a game controller (hereinafter, referred to as "a game device, etc." in place of "a handheld game device or a game controller") is tilted, a game image is generated in which an object such as a player character, etc., moves (rolls over) in the direction of tilt, thereby allowing a player to feel as if a game space is actually tilted in accordance with a tilt of the game device, etc.

The above described conventional technique, however, is used for controlling a two-dimensional game image, and cannot be adapted to a three-dimensional game image which has become prevalent as a game image.

that's nintendo's patent!

look up Sony's and you will see there is no spin, claim all you want Sony did not copy nor did Nintendo Copy Sony they were both working on the same IDEA for Motion controll's, since the DEVELOPMENT OF THE Nintendo Wii mote was being development since the Game cube why was it not released for the Game cube also?

it's simple

it also was not ready yet.

I don't need to spin anything. Just tell me why that Sony comment bashing motion control while they "had" a motion control in the works lol. Epic lol.

 

 

because one PR company never bashes any other company for no reason right?

god it just seem's when PR gets posted some of the people hate on one company PR and only blame that company for Bad PR when they all do it. but it seem's only one company is more at fault over it than other's just like Some like to spout off some "fan's" of a game console are worse than other "game console fan's".

their PR. that's what PR. is paid to do.

just because they bashed Motion control's does not mean they do not have one of their own , or that other companies did not feel that way about motion control's. it just mean's their trying to put doubt about a product in the Mind's of the consumer's it's like the mud slinging in political campaign's.

they all do it.

 

I'll say what you perfectly know my friend:

Baaaaack in 2007, the Wii was a fad. A joke. LOL. An underdog system that would sell greatly just for one year (acording to Michael Pachter, Microsoft and Sony) and then all of us would jump aboard the all mighty, CELL powered PS3, which costed 600$.

So Sony just bashed Wiimote, because they were not going that route, who's gonna copy the fad? The "Kiddy" system?

Back in 2008, Nintendo is still butt rapping Sony in hardware and software sales, and maybe in mid 2008 was probably when they started working on PS Move, implementing old technology they may have patented for Eye toy, because the "kiddy" system was set to be the market leader for this gen. Motion controls were what defines a new gen system, not graphics, and Sony was aware of that.

So , in E3 2009, one year later, they show off a wiimote rip off, that resembles a sex toy for many people on the internets, and has amazingly great accuracy for a beta build of the device - something equivalent to wii motion plus.

In this time, they're yet to make a nunchuk rip off, because they believe that holding a PS3 controller alongside a wand would please gamers, as shown in a RE5 Special Demo for the PS Move. But thing is, it didn't please no one. They needed to copy the nunchuk too.

It was recently, that Sony finally unveiled the full set. A nice Wiimote and Nunchuk imitation, using some nice Sony tech they already had from Eye Toy development, it works the same as the Wiimote but using different method. Pretty clever.

Now, the world is still to know if Sony's Nunchuk will have motion sensors or not, because it is a rushed peripheral, yet in development, not a project from 2005.

 

This, is pretty much what happened :)

an like i just stated the hatred for some companies fit certain gamer's to a tee.

you can think what you want but no proof will change your mind you have already made up your mind.

 

What I said is proof. Since the SNES times Sony has been copying Nintendo controllers, this is no surprise.

I don't know if you haven't noticed yet, but only you and another couple guys keep bragging about it not being a wiimote rip off. Serisouly dude, it only makes you a more serious person just to get over and admit it, like many Sony fans already did.

Does that fact stops you from enjoying such a device? Hell no, despite coming 4 years later, I think it will be an awesome experience for whoever hasn't yet had a Wii. Even for Wii owners, there may be something to look at, some epic game for it that differs a lot from what the Wii has served.

 

Seriously, your debating skills are awesome, you're only a die hard Sony fan.

You make me remember those Nintendo fans (very few) that keep saying the Wii's online is awesome and they don't need something like Live, while everybody knows that an online service on the Wii like Xbox Live would be a dream. (If free, but this is already my own opinion)



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Bamboleo said:
joeorc said:
Bamboleo said:
joeorc said:
Bamboleo said:
joeorc said:
Bamboleo said:
Arius Dion said:
Bamboleo said:
@ joeorc

I have one single question for you.

If Sony was planning the PS Move since 2004 why this statement form themselves?

"I think the notion of that controller is a non-trivial point that you’ve brought up, that control and that familiarity is like comfort food - from my perspective, we lead, we don’t follow. And as a brand, Nintendo’s got their thing, and we’re not trying to get the senior citizen group to get into gaming"

", but we’d never consider iterating off of existing competitive technology - because we think that’s a fad and that’s not the way we approach product development. It’s not the way we approach the marketing or the branding of PlayStation."

I'd really like someone to explain this. A company that "is creating" a motion sensing pad trolling themselves? ;)

Ups ;)


LoL.

I wonder the amount of Spin Skill one needs to justify this.

Still waiting for a response ;)

 

 

ok spin this:

Inventors: Shimizu; Takao (Kyoto, JP); Suzuki; Toshiaki (Kyoto, JP)
Assignee: Nintendo Co., Ltd. (Kyoto, JP)
Appl. No.: 440111
Filed: May 19, 2003


BACKGROUND AND SUMMARY OF THE INVENTION

Japanese Patent Laid-Open Publication No. 2001-170358 discloses a game system (hereinafter, referred to as "a conventional technique") using a tilt sensor. In this conventional technique, when a handheld game device or a game controller (hereinafter, referred to as "a game device, etc." in place of "a handheld game device or a game controller") is tilted, a game image is generated in which an object such as a player character, etc., moves (rolls over) in the direction of tilt, thereby allowing a player to feel as if a game space is actually tilted in accordance with a tilt of the game device, etc.

The above described conventional technique, however, is used for controlling a two-dimensional game image, and cannot be adapted to a three-dimensional game image which has become prevalent as a game image.

that's nintendo's patent!

look up Sony's and you will see there is no spin, claim all you want Sony did not copy nor did Nintendo Copy Sony they were both working on the same IDEA for Motion controll's, since the DEVELOPMENT OF THE Nintendo Wii mote was being development since the Game cube why was it not released for the Game cube also?

it's simple

it also was not ready yet.

I don't need to spin anything. Just tell me why that Sony comment bashing motion control while they "had" a motion control in the works lol. Epic lol.

 

 

because one PR company never bashes any other company for no reason right?

god it just seem's when PR gets posted some of the people hate on one company PR and only blame that company for Bad PR when they all do it. but it seem's only one company is more at fault over it than other's just like Some like to spout off some "fan's" of a game console are worse than other "game console fan's".

their PR. that's what PR. is paid to do.

just because they bashed Motion control's does not mean they do not have one of their own , or that other companies did not feel that way about motion control's. it just mean's their trying to put doubt about a product in the Mind's of the consumer's it's like the mud slinging in political campaign's.

they all do it.

 

I'll say what you perfectly know my friend:

Baaaaack in 2007, the Wii was a fad. A joke. LOL. An underdog system that would sell greatly just for one year (acording to Michael Pachter, Microsoft and Sony) and then all of us would jump aboard the all mighty, CELL powered PS3, which costed 600$.

So Sony just bashed Wiimote, because they were not going that route, who's gonna copy the fad? The "Kiddy" system?

Back in 2008, Nintendo is still butt rapping Sony in hardware and software sales, and maybe in mid 2008 was probably when they started working on PS Move, implementing old technology they may have patented for Eye toy, because the "kiddy" system was set to be the market leader for this gen. Motion controls were what defines a new gen system, not graphics, and Sony was aware of that.

So , in E3 2009, one year later, they show off a wiimote rip off, that resembles a sex toy for many people on the internets, and has amazingly great accuracy for a beta build of the device - something equivalent to wii motion plus.

In this time, they're yet to make a nunchuk rip off, because they believe that holding a PS3 controller alongside a wand would please gamers, as shown in a RE5 Special Demo for the PS Move. But thing is, it didn't please no one. They needed to copy the nunchuk too.

It was recently, that Sony finally unveiled the full set. A nice Wiimote and Nunchuk imitation, using some nice Sony tech they already had from Eye Toy development, it works the same as the Wiimote but using different method. Pretty clever.

Now, the world is still to know if Sony's Nunchuk will have motion sensors or not, because it is a rushed peripheral, yet in development, not a project from 2005.

 

This, is pretty much what happened :)

an like i just stated the hatred for some companies fit certain gamer's to a tee.

you can think what you want but no proof will change your mind you have already made up your mind.

 

What I said is proof. Since the SNES times Sony has been copying Nintendo controllers, this is no surprise.

I don't know if you haven't noticed yet, but only you and another couple guys keep bragging about it not being a wiimote rip off. Serisouly dude, it only makes you a more serious person just to get over and admit it, like many Sony fans already did.

Does that fact stops you from enjoying such a device? Hell no, despite coming 4 years later, I think it will be an awesome experience for whoever hasn't yet had a Wii. Even for Wii owners, there may be something to look at, some epic game for it that differs a lot from what the Wii has served.

 

Seriously, your debating skills are awesome, you're only a die hard Sony fan.

You make me remember those Nintendo fans (very few) that keep saying the Wii's online is awesome and they don't need something like Live, while everybody knows that an online service on the Wii like Xbox Live would be a dream. (If free, but this is already my own opinion)

Im not bragging, i am just saying i do not agree with other's opinion on That Sony copied Nintendo on their motion controller's.

but I will say if it was not for Nintendo, Sony most likely would have never  released their motion controller due to the Eyetoy not getting the support since  the PS2 eyetoy  release. which has been very lackluster

an no In my opinion what you stated is not proof, in your mind it's proof we are not going to agree on this because in your opinion it's proof, my opinion on that is.

no it's not proof. 

just because one company bring's out a technology does not mean another company copy's said technology. 

that's like saying one car is a copy of another car

like I stated just because one company add's something does not mean another company copied another.

for one both motion control system's do not operate the same, ARE NOT EVEN SHAPED THE SAME, or the same size:

Wii mote is an oblong

the Move is a Cllinder

How else do you make wand's?

And i am not a die hard Sony fan I own many game system's not just Sony's



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joeorc said:
Nick said:
joeorc said:
Nick said:
 

It's not the idea that was copied, it's the implementation.  Sony's move is a "me too" product and nothing more.

while i respect your Opinion on the matter it's not a "Mii too" product!

once again just because one company release their technology first does not mean they are the only one's with that same IDEA.

Not to mention trying to convince some of the people in charge in a company when you do not get to make the decisions, sometime's hinder's said progress and sometime's it takes the success of another company to get the higher up's to see thing's differently.

just imagine you spent all that money and development on a product and less than 20% of your user base purchases the device.

when the next system releases the price is already at $500.00 or $600.00 and you would have to increase that price further just to release Motion control's. or you could wait until the other system  well or poorly it does and go from there.

your core system get's lower in price and the other system has a control system close too your own  type of system that was already in development. cheaper to wait. is something I would think they agreed on.

 

 

I didn't say it was a unique idea.  This idea has been floating around forever.  It's not even unique to these companies.  It's implementation into the market is what makes it a "me too" product.  They would have never released Move (especially not in it's current form) without the Wiimote.  After years of mocking motion controls they are now trying to get a piece of the Wii pie.  Waiting to see how your competitor performs and then adding what is making them successful to your system is exactly what makes it a "me too" product. 

They are playing following the leader.  I feel that is obvious. 

"It's implementation into the market is what makes it a "me too" product."

that's like saying every automobile is a copy of every other automobile is a Mii Too product...

"Waiting to see how your competitor performs and then adding what is making them successful to your system is exactly what makes it a "me too" product. "

if that's a Mii Too product there is quite a bit of Mii Too product's out there than..lol

yea my PC has a dvd burner and HP releases a DVD burner for their PC's that make's their PC a Mii Too huh..


One is an entire line of product and one is a feature.  A more logical comparison would be: if everyone on the planet bought GM automobiles because they liked the OnStar feature and then other automakers added their own version of OnStar.  This is a better comparison and these other versions of OnStar would also be considered a "me too". 

If only one pc maker put DVD burners in their pc's and everyone rushed out to buy only those pc's for that specific reason.... all while other pc manufacturers derided DVD burners as a worthless feature, only to then turn around and add them into their own pc's after the fact, to try to repair lost sales...... this situation would be similar to what is happening in the console market and would also be seen as a "me too".

You're making really silly comparisons to try to prove your point.



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The only people saying this stuff about Sony copying Nintendo are the ones who know its a better product. Hell ya I going to enjoy the shit out of the PS move, Its much better Technology, that you can do so much more with. The way I look at it is the Haters will hate, and at the same time I will be having a blast , enjoying the best of both worlds. This is life, an Idea is made, and someone is always trying to make Improvements on it, this is all Sony has done. People need to get over it.



@ joe

Dude, you're so back in the Denial Closet about PS Move being a Wiimote copy that you can see Narnia.

Geez x_X

Don't you look around you? 99,9% percent of people saying this is a copy, even if you google "Sony copies Wii" you get tons of results.

Dude, get serious.



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Nick said:
joeorc said:
Nick said:
joeorc said:
Nick said:
 

It's not the idea that was copied, it's the implementation.  Sony's move is a "me too" product and nothing more.

while i respect your Opinion on the matter it's not a "Mii too" product!

once again just because one company release their technology first does not mean they are the only one's with that same IDEA.

Not to mention trying to convince some of the people in charge in a company when you do not get to make the decisions, sometime's hinder's said progress and sometime's it takes the success of another company to get the higher up's to see thing's differently.

just imagine you spent all that money and development on a product and less than 20% of your user base purchases the device.

when the next system releases the price is already at $500.00 or $600.00 and you would have to increase that price further just to release Motion control's. or you could wait until the other system  well or poorly it does and go from there.

your core system get's lower in price and the other system has a control system close too your own  type of system that was already in development. cheaper to wait. is something I would think they agreed on.

 

 

I didn't say it was a unique idea.  This idea has been floating around forever.  It's not even unique to these companies.  It's implementation into the market is what makes it a "me too" product.  They would have never released Move (especially not in it's current form) without the Wiimote.  After years of mocking motion controls they are now trying to get a piece of the Wii pie.  Waiting to see how your competitor performs and then adding what is making them successful to your system is exactly what makes it a "me too" product. 

They are playing following the leader.  I feel that is obvious. 

"It's implementation into the market is what makes it a "me too" product."

that's like saying every automobile is a copy of every other automobile is a Mii Too product...

"Waiting to see how your competitor performs and then adding what is making them successful to your system is exactly what makes it a "me too" product. "

if that's a Mii Too product there is quite a bit of Mii Too product's out there than..lol

yea my PC has a dvd burner and HP releases a DVD burner for their PC's that make's their PC a Mii Too huh..


One is an entire line of product and one is a feature.  A more logical comparison would be: if everyone on the planet bought GM automobiles because they liked the OnStar feature and then other automakers added their own version of OnStar.  This is a better comparison and these other versions of OnStar would also be considered a "me too". 

If only one pc maker put DVD burners in their pc's and everyone rushed out to buy only those pc's for that specific reason.... all while other pc manufacturers derided DVD burners as a worthless feature, only to then turn around and add them into their own pc's after the fact, to try to repair lost sales...... this situation would be similar to what is happening in the console market and would also be seen as a "me too".

You're making really silly comparisons to try to prove your point.

How So:

and no one does not have to be an entire line of automobile's because does a car have to have 4 wheel's in order to be a car?

just look at the http://www.tuckerclub.org/ there was so many thing's unique about that car for it's time that to this day no other automobile has in the automobile's to this day. 

that's like saying who determines what is labeled as a car? a govern body of standard's right?

how do you make Motion control's?

just because one make's a oblong and one makes a Cylinder does not mean they are copy's that in of it self make's them not even shaped the same.

that's like saying a 3 wheel is a copy off of a 4 wheel design. both may have close to the design in how they are viewed by they way they look, but that does not change the fact that a 3 wheeler is not the same as a four wheeler.

do you consider an ATV a copy of an automobile?

 



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Move has yet to be proven if it will be good. Until then, it will get hated on.

Ultimately, it can only be as good as the Wii (with Motion + added), as both systems will have 1:1 tracking, and thus result in a tie.



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Bamboleo said:
@ joe

Dude, you're so back in the Denial Closet about PS Move being a Wiimote copy that you can see Narnia.

Geez x_X

Don't you look around you? 99,9% percent of people saying this is a copy, even if you google "Sony copies Wii" you get tons of results.

Dude, get serious.

so that make's the majority alway's right huh?

so when the earth was said to be flat at one time like the majority thought and a very few said no the earth is an oval or round did that make the earth still flat because the majority said so?

that does not mean the Majority is alway's right.



I AM BOLO

100% lover "nothing else matter's" after that...

ps:

Proud psOne/2/3/p owner.  I survived Aplcalyps3 and all I got was this lousy Signature.

Raze said:
Move has yet to be proven if it will be good. Until then, it will get hated on.

Ultimately, it can only be as good as the Wii (with Motion + added), as both systems will have 1:1 tracking, and thus result in a tie.


True..but then againit will come down to the software. Wii has the benefit of first party Nintendo games. Zelda will pretty much shit on whatever software Sony can bring to the move table..it'll look like a park after the geese fly over lol.



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Raze said:
Move has yet to be proven if it will be good. Until then, it will get hated on.

Ultimately, it can only be as good as the Wii (with Motion + added), as both systems will have 1:1 tracking, and thus result in a tie.

both are good, but the Wii mote does not use a camera to add in function's that without that camera you cannot do.

 



I AM BOLO

100% lover "nothing else matter's" after that...

ps:

Proud psOne/2/3/p owner.  I survived Aplcalyps3 and all I got was this lousy Signature.