Forums - General Discussion - Why the world lost the pleasure of classic music?

pastro243 said:
Akvod said:
pastro243 said:
Because you need a brain to listen to it, a normal guy would find it "boring" since they cant apreciatte the complexity and prefer simple tunes with simple beats that are easy to dance.

You sound like one of those TooL fans.


I dont listen to tool, so I dont get what you mean.

It pre concept to tell people are stupid because they don't hear classical. The problem that i see is that peole are just too close-minded about music and other things, they don't want diversity in their music libraries.I don't know in US or EU, but here in Brazil mainly teens tends to be like"i Just like listen heavy metal, my life is heavy metal, i am heavy metal, anything that isn't heavy metal for me is crap and want to pretend it don't exist!" or "I just listen Rap music, my life is rap music, i am rap music anything that isn't rap music is shit to me!".

 

But in the end the only one who lose with this is who  has this attitud, that private themselves from many awesome things.



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I'm upping my thread, sorry for this, but Off Topic is so slow that if don't go keeping you thread in the top spot it probably wont gen answers, i 'll stop once the thread is dead.



pastro243 said:
Because you need a brain to listen to it, a normal guy would find it "boring" since they cant apreciatte the complexity and prefer simple tunes with simple beats that are easy to dance.



okr said:
Classical music was never unpopular. Keep in mind that most of these compositions are several hundred years old and today still millions all over the world listen to them.

Indeed, I think this thread demonstrates that the world has not, in fact, lost the pleaure of classic music.



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patapon said:
pastro243 said:
Because you need a brain to listen to it, a normal guy would find it "boring" since they cant apreciatte the complexity and prefer simple tunes with simple beats that are easy to dance.

What, leaving the brain comment outside, what I wrote is completly true.



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invetedlotus123 said:
pastro243 said:
Akvod said:
pastro243 said:
Because you need a brain to listen to it, a normal guy would find it "boring" since they cant apreciatte the complexity and prefer simple tunes with simple beats that are easy to dance.

You sound like one of those TooL fans.


I dont listen to tool, so I dont get what you mean.

It pre concept to tell people are stupid because they don't hear classical. The problem that i see is that peole are just too close-minded about music and other things, they don't want diversity in their music libraries.I don't know in US or EU, but here in Brazil mainly teens tends to be like"i Just like listen heavy metal, my life is heavy metal, i am heavy metal, anything that isn't heavy metal for me is crap and want to pretend it don't exist!" or "I just listen Rap music, my life is rap music, i am rap music anything that isn't rap music is shit to me!".

 

But in the end the only one who lose with this is who  has this attitud, that private themselves from many awesome things.

Well, I was just saying Classical and complex instrumental music requieres the guy who listens to have a better ear than the ones that just listen to simple beats and melodies, most people dont bother listening to things that have more complexity and cant tell the difference in complexity, thats why I said most of them would consider it boring, its because they lack the ear to understand the different things that go on beyond the simple melody and beat, and consider it boring.

I listen to a lot of different artists, from some classical, punk, old rock, metal, etc..., anyway, so I dont think Im close minded in terms of music, I can tell the difference between crap and good stuff, and maybe even then, I may like the crap, but understand its not the best thing on earth.



pastro243 said:
invetedlotus123 said:
pastro243 said:
Akvod said:
pastro243 said:
Because you need a brain to listen to it, a normal guy would find it "boring" since they cant apreciatte the complexity and prefer simple tunes with simple beats that are easy to dance.

You sound like one of those TooL fans.


I dont listen to tool, so I dont get what you mean.

It pre concept to tell people are stupid because they don't hear classical. The problem that i see is that peole are just too close-minded about music and other things, they don't want diversity in their music libraries.I don't know in US or EU, but here in Brazil mainly teens tends to be like"i Just like listen heavy metal, my life is heavy metal, i am heavy metal, anything that isn't heavy metal for me is crap and want to pretend it don't exist!" or "I just listen Rap music, my life is rap music, i am rap music anything that isn't rap music is shit to me!".

 

But in the end the only one who lose with this is who  has this attitud, that private themselves from many awesome things.

Well, I was just saying Classical and complex instrumental music requieres the guy who listens to have a better ear than the ones that just listen to simple beats and melodies, most people dont bother listening to things that have more complexity and cant tell the difference in complexity, thats why I said most of them would consider it boring, its because they lack the ear to understand the different things that go on beyond the simple melody and beat, and consider it boring.

I listen to a lot of different artists, from some classical, punk, old rock, metal, etc..., anyway, so I dont think Im close minded in terms of music, I can tell the difference between crap and good stuff, and maybe even then, I may like the crap, but understand its not the best thing on earth.

It's OK pastro. I'm telling is, many people may really don't like classical, but many don't like because they don't give it a try. Like people already said here, classical is the kind of music you put and concentrate in it, try to pay attention for each part of the sound and open your hear. For Lady GaGa(i lov her) you just put her music and go talk with your friends. If people listen it right, they may like it.



pastro243 said:
patapon said:
pastro243 said:
Because you need a brain to listen to it, a normal guy would find it "boring" since they cant apreciatte the complexity and prefer simple tunes with simple beats that are easy to dance.

What, leaving the brain comment outside, what I wrote is completly true.

Alright, brain comment aside... I don't think liking/disliking classical music has anything to do with appreciation. It simply comes down to liking what you hear. That's what's important.

I enjoy all genres of music. On my ipod I have rap, metal, blues, classical, jazz, etc. No discrimination here. Hell, I even have a Madonna tune on my ipod (I'm not gay... I'M NOT!!!) Also, I'm a musician whose been playing music ever since I was a child. Not once has intricacy of a musical piece made me enjoy a tune. Impressed? Perhaps... but enjoyed more because of complexity? Don't see how that makes sense from a practical standpoint. People listen to music because they like what they hear...

Have you ever thought that perhaps people don't like classical music because they don't like conventional instruments? Or that perhaps the sound just doesn't flow with them? I don't think we need to regard these people as simpletons for not liking what we like. That's just... snobbish...

And not true.



patapon said:
pastro243 said:
patapon said:
pastro243 said:
Because you need a brain to listen to it, a normal guy would find it "boring" since they cant apreciatte the complexity and prefer simple tunes with simple beats that are easy to dance.

What, leaving the brain comment outside, what I wrote is completly true.

Alright, brain comment aside... I don't think liking/disliking classical music has anything to do with appreciation. It simply comes down to liking what you hear. That's what's important.

I enjoy all genres of music. On my ipod I have rap, metal, blues, classical, jazz, etc. No discrimination here. Hell, I even have a Madonna tune on my ipod (I'm not gay... I'M NOT!!!) Also, I'm a musician whose been playing music ever since I was a child. Not once has intricacy of a musical piece made me enjoy a tune. Impressed? Perhaps... but enjoyed more because of complexity? Don't see how that makes sense from a practical standpoint. People listen to music because they like what they hear...

Have you ever thought that perhaps people don't like classical music because they don't like conventional instruments? Or that perhaps the sound just doesn't flow with them? I don't think we need to regard these people as simpletons for not liking what we like. That's just... snobbish...

And not true.

Brain comment aside, he's right.  It's the same reason most people find literature boring and will only read popular fiction.  They can't appreciate what's going on.  If you've never been educated about prose, how are you going to be able to appreciate it?  Sophisticated art in general is one of those things where, the more effort you put into it the more you appreciate it.  The problem is that most people don't pay attention in English class and are never have the intricacies of music explained to them.  The only parts of music/writing that they're able to appreciate are the parts they're able to understand intuitively or teach themselves.  That limits them to quite a narrow selection (in thise case, pop music or fiction) of art.



patapon said:
pastro243 said:
patapon said:
pastro243 said:
Because you need a brain to listen to it, a normal guy would find it "boring" since they cant apreciatte the complexity and prefer simple tunes with simple beats that are easy to dance.

What, leaving the brain comment outside, what I wrote is completly true.

Alright, brain comment aside... I don't think liking/disliking classical music has anything to do with appreciation. It simply comes down to liking what you hear. That's what's important.

I enjoy all genres of music. On my ipod I have rap, metal, blues, classical, jazz, etc. No discrimination here. Hell, I even have a Madonna tune on my ipod (I'm not gay... I'M NOT!!!) Also, I'm a musician whose been playing music ever since I was a child. Not once has intricacy of a musical piece made me enjoy a tune. Impressed? Perhaps... but enjoyed more because of complexity? Don't see how that makes sense from a practical standpoint. People listen to music because they like what they hear...

Have you ever thought that perhaps people don't like classical music because they don't like conventional instruments? Or that perhaps the sound just doesn't flow with them? I don't think we need to regard these people as simpletons for not liking what we like. That's just... snobbish...

And not true.

Ok, I agree you can dislike it, what I meant is that most poeple that dont know about music/ have ear to sing/ play instruments/ havent listened to a wide variety of music(which are the mayority of people) dont get classical music because, even if its easy listening, its hard to apreciate it, meaning they would rather listen to the jonas brothers and enjoy the simpleness of the songs, in everyway.

When you get exposed to more complicated music you can see how simple the other one is, and you get bored with very shitty guitars, shitty vocal ranges, shitty drums, shitty message, etc... unless its on purpose.

Most people say metal is just noise for example, and you as a mussician should know its a lot more than that, and I admit it even if metal is not my genre of choice. Some say classical music/Queen/Led Zeppelin is old guy stuff, and shit like that, which is a valid point but doesnt have to do with the music and shows ignorance in the subject.

What my first post refered to is that most people are limited to Lady Gaga as the best they have listened, Jonas Brothers as rock, etc... and these people who dont have a clue about music(not saying they are stupid generally) cant appreciatte classical music.