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Is Reggie full of it when it comes to Wii2 (Next Gen)

Yes, he's all talk (read below) 16 17.39%
 
No, He's serious and knows whats going on! 34 36.96%
 
Reggie is the Regginator nuff said 42 45.65%
 
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RolStoppable said:
HD is not a driving force.

All Nintendo said is that their next console will support it, because by then HDTVs will be in a majority of households, making the inclusion actually meaningful. That and HD is just a logical evolution.

But you are still looking at this from a technology focused point of view. It's about entertainment and that also means surprise. You say nothing can't be done on the Wii, but that's because you only think about ideas we already know about.

Once again, HD does not sell consoles. If you believe that, you spend too much time on forums. Software sells hardware. So the next Nintendo console better has games that can't be done on the Wii, because otherwise, why would people buy a new console?

Lets be clear I don't believe HD sells consoles and never have, it would be insaine to do so given Nintendo's profit track records. Then again GameCube had by far the best software last generation and it lost to PS2 which had a dismal first party line-up. The Wii sold because of the Wiimote and Nintendo's great Ad campain. A Nintendo fan myself I can't say software sold the Wii. The Revolution sold the Wii. Disagree?

The Nintendo 64 and GameCube both had some of the greatest games made to date. Infact look on any best of 2000-2010 games list and you will see multiple GameCube titles. But superior software did not lead to superior hardware sales. Now I can also refute the people who would then argue superior hardware sells. Nintendo 64 was far superior to the PSOne its not even funny, the far superior hardware is similiar to the Wii versus PS3 this gen. Yet the far superior N64 lost out to PSOne. Then theirs GameCube which was far superior to PS2 yet PS2 kicked its butt (Marketshare not profit wise).

What do I think makes or breaks a console? Marketing, software alone does not sell hardware, hardware alone does not sell itself. And neither even together have a chance in hell of selling without marketing. Look into history a bit the NES revolutionalized the industry their were arcade titles, cereals, movies and everything promoting the heck out of it. Then comes the PlayStation giving people a cheaper alternative to cartridges it had a ton of marketing go into making it a success, it appeared in many movies and got numerous heavy weight exclusives like Final Fantasy. Then the PS2 continued that, it was marketed as a home entertainment system thanks to DVD. Sony marketed the heck out of it and with enough third party marketing and press the PS2 won despite being hugely inferior.

Why will the Wii and DS go down in history? The Regginator! He is an amazing marketing machine, naming the console origionally Revolution and marketing the crap out of it. Pushing its hardware and software to the brink was highly successful. It was all those teaser video's and stuff that sold the Wii.

As for the console better have games that can't be done on Wii. Your right it better maybe an HD head tracking launch title, yes your right Nintendo thinks outside the box and can probubly come up with something origional I can't even fathom. However to date Nintendo has been able to create almost every control scheme they can think of on the Wii. Natal could be done on Wii, Move can already be played on Wii. I and I bet you too can not think of anything that Nintendo couldn't do on the Wii?

HD can't be done on Wii now can it? Head tracking at the moment can't be done on the Wii with existing unmotified hardware. Nintendo could also be planning a Matrix style control system. Maybe Holograms. All I can say is as far as a controller goes, their is nothing Nintendo can't make on the Wii. Infact the WiiMote could have been made on the GameCube or N64 for that matter infact Nintendo started dev on it back during the NES. So that means the Wii could have been done on any of Nintendo's past systems. its not a matter of what Miyamoto can and can not do with the hardware. Its marketing, when does it make sense for Nintendo to launch a new platform, which new control schimatic will wow the audience the most and push the most hardware.

I always argue marketing is how Nintendo has managed to do so well. Marketing is why Nintendo releases new consoles, marketing is why Nintendo's consoles constantly innovate and marketing determines when and where software and hardware will be released. Disagree with me? Why else would Nintendo hire a hot shot marketing exec to head the North American division?

Viper1 said:

Viper1 said:

Joe, that was NOE, not NOA.

If I recall correctly Reggie was also questioned at least about the Lite before Japan announced its release during which he said their was no Lite coming. Also I recall Reggie stating that the Wii was going to have seven first party launch titles and it did not.

Reggie had an interview shortly after the NOE announcement of No Lite and he confirmed it was not in development. I remember because I was so suprised the next week or two when Nintendo Japan announced the Lites existance. The release of the DS initially your right that might have just been NOE. But it proves my point anyways. Nintendo orders its staff to reveal info at certain times or the Nintendo staff genuinely has no clue what is going on. I think Reggie is promoting the idea of another Wii to see from a marketing perspective when should Nintendo release the next piece of hardware.

In my opinion everything Reggie says is said for a marketing purpose, to hype up Nintendo's products and promote growth in the industry. Whether he is full of crap half the time or not doesn't matter to him because it does the trick. Remember when Reggie said no less then 7 first party titles were going to be availible launch day. It was a lie but Reggie said so to hype up and target the hardcore demographic.

Reggie is a smart very smart man. But I think he's full of crap half the time and the idea that Nintendo is waiting for Miyamoto to hit the limits of the Wii is simply illogical. Since we all know the next console has been in development since 2005 and yes all I know is that its HD but other then that what exactly can;t be done on Wii? As I said before the Wiimote could have been launched on GameCube, so could Natal so could Move on PS2.

Fact is their isn't anything any of us could fathom that couldn't be done on the Wii's hardware other then better graphics and higher resolutions!



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1) All company's deny things before the big release, they put a lot of effort into organising the announcement, and certainly arent going to ruin the surprise because a journalists asks them

2) You're misinterpreting the HD comments. Nintendo has stated that the next home console will run in HD resolutions, all that quote says is that they will also look at ways in which they can innovate, improve motion control and social gaming aspects of the console, simply a 'Wii HD' isnt enough



Joelcool7 said:

The Wii sold because of the Wiimote and Nintendo's great Ad campain. A Nintendo fan myself I can't say software sold the Wii.

 

The Wii sold because of its pick-up-and-play capability. And WiiSports is just exactly the software that made that possible.

Saying the Wiimote is the driving force is completely wrong. It simply allowed different kind of interaction that's not possible on the controller with a dozen buttons that scare away non-gamer.

 

What games on the Wii that you have played that does not work for you?

 

It's easy to say the system doesn't provide any entertainment when you buy the games for another system.



you really think a balance board, and a heartbeat sensor would warrant a new console???

The only think that could have was more accurate wiimotes.... but a 15$ periferial is a much better strategy for the userbase...and has the same effect.

No the next console will include both HD and a sensible upgrade to the controls, including a better nunchuck, a redesign of the wii mote and something new (that we'll have to wait to know)



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Joelcool7 said:
RolStoppable said:
HD is not a driving force.

All Nintendo said is that their next console will support it, because by then HDTVs will be in a majority of households, making the inclusion actually meaningful. That and HD is just a logical evolution.

But you are still looking at this from a technology focused point of view. It's about entertainment and that also means surprise. You say nothing can't be done on the Wii, but that's because you only think about ideas we already know about.

Once again, HD does not sell consoles. If you believe that, you spend too much time on forums. Software sells hardware. So the next Nintendo console better has games that can't be done on the Wii, because otherwise, why would people buy a new console?

Lets be clear I don't believe HD sells consoles and never have, it would be insaine to do so given Nintendo's profit track records. Then again GameCube had by far the best software last generation and it lost to PS2 which had a dismal first party line-up. The Wii sold because of the Wiimote and Nintendo's great Ad campain. A Nintendo fan myself I can't say software sold the Wii. The Revolution sold the Wii. Disagree?

Disagree. 


You define best software as things that are getting praised by a small circle of reviewers, and Nintendo fans, including you.

But if we are talking about popularity and sales, this is meaningless, as the public opinion might be, and is, different from yours. 

The Gamecube didn't have a single 10 million seller game. You call them "best", but the public didn't even care about buying them. Because they were not sufficiently appealing. 

The Wii has Wii Sports/Play/Fit/Resort/Plus, MK Wii, and NSMB Wii. These are all games which the public considered BETTER than any Gamecube game, given that they voted for them with their wallets.  And after any of these were released, a huge sales spike appeared in the hardware sales. Look it up in the charts, you just can't deny that these all sold huge amounts of hardware.



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Alterego-X said:
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The Wii has Wii Sports/Play/Fit/Resort/Plus, MK Wii, and NSMB Wii. These are all games which the public considered BETTER than any Gamecube game, given that they voted for them with their wallets.  

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I often see this kind of reasoning, but it simply isn't sound. Just because product A sells more than product B doesn't mean that the customer satisfaction for A is superior to the one for B. It only means that more people were pushed over the threshold of buying the product, but that happens for a combination of value assessment, word of mouth, marketing, public image and so on.

I don't know if "the public considered (wii games) BETTER than any Gamecube game" because that would mean taking a survey among people who tried both. But I frankly doubt that the majority of Wii Sports/Play/Fit/Resort/Plus were informed on the quality or even existence of most Gamecube games.

It may very well be that most persons trying both would rate Wii Fit higher than Metroid Prime or Pikmin, but it isn't proved by the sales. What the sales prove is the bigger appeal.



"All you need in life is ignorance and confidence; then success is sure." - Mark Twain

"..." - Gordon Freeman

" If it is a question of control's Nintendo will never create another console because they can always just develope a new controller."

That right there is your answer.

Nintendo will not be making a new home console any time soon. Just new controllers.

When they figure out something as groundbreaking as motion control, then they will make a new console.



@JoelCool7

You are young and hang out too much on gaming websites, that's why you can't understand the Wii and instead go with the idiocy spread from harcore gamers and journalists.

The Wii sold on the strength of its software. Before launch Nintendo did let people try out the games and they were amazed and told it their friends. Even the best marketing campaign isn't as effecient as word of mouth. And the Wii has better games than the GC and N64. (Even if it's just in the sense that they have a much broader appeal, but that's crucial for hardware sales.)

You grew up with those consoles, hence you don't know why the NES was so successful. The N64 and GC didn't even have a main series Mario game and that hurt their sales a lot.

Again, the Wii sells because of its software and the hardware charts prove it. Once interesting games stopped to be released and the effect of previous killer apps wore off, the Wii's momentum collapsed in 2009. A price cut didn't help much and the main reason why the Wii is in higher demand again is software.



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Don't be a fool, of course the Wii 2 isn't coming anytime soon



So either
A)Reggie is lying and there is a Wii HD
B)He's telling the truth.

So now we get to play the game of whether Reggie is lying or not. Sounds fun.