Sony confirms PS2 has sold over 160 million

[Phenomajp13]

Hiku said:

Phenomajp13 said:

What? No they literally announced the PS2 had sold 155.1 as of March 2012 in 2018. So if they didn't care in 2018, why do they care now? 30th anniversary? Was selling over 500 million consoles not an achievement to them in 2018 when they knew all along PS2 sold over 160 million but didn't care to annouce it.

I talked about masking Vita sales by lumping them in together with other systems.
Do you believe they would undo that effort while the Vita was part of their business? To flaunt a milestone involving older system?
What do you think is more important to their business around that time?

Phenomajp13 said:

The only unsound logic is yours, grasping for straws because you know deep down it's obvious how much they care. No one is emotional about this besides Sony.

I don't think I've interacted with you before, but I'm also not one to engage in console warring in my 10 years here. So that may be why.
You claim not to be emotionally invested, but you've gotten yourself banned several times in the past year, all over console war/sales threads.

Phenomajp13 said:

That's why all of a sudden they cant wait to shout this from the rooftop now but didn't in 2018,

Waiting 8 months is far from 'can't wait'.
And putting this info several clicks deep into a website, is hardly 'shouting it from the rooftops'.

I gave you the benefit of the doubt in the first paragraph where you seem to have either missunderstood, or not read what I said about masking the Vita sales.
No one should have to repeat themselves multiple times because someone pretends to not have read their rebuttal.

Playstation seems to be doing well.



But regardless of how successful or not you consider the company, excecs command very high salaries because they are hyper focused on profit. As we are typing this, they are worried about how to meet their next sales forecasts. Even in their off time.
If they paid even a fraction of the mind a very niche group of people do to a pissing contest over a system that stopped making money ages ago, they wouldn't be in their position.
I think the notion that the people laughing all the way to the bank, thinking about which part of the workforce to cut next year, are 'terrified' that 'PS2 is in a lot of trouble' and that they would deliberately fabricate sales figures to this end is rooted in unhealthy and unrealistic attachment, and/or ragebait.
Saying "Sony/Nintendo/Xbox is..." when actually meaning "you people are..." by association, aimed at the other camp.

It's not out of the realm of possibility that this 160M figure is a matter of miscommunication, as the Anniversary site isn't sales figure oriented. However, it now also appears on their their "Business Data & Sales" page, so that seems less likely. Although the date doesn't seem updated.

But what is your logic behind fabricating sales numbers for the purpose of enhancing its standing as the highest selling console, and then not state that it is?

And by the way, how would the excec that signed off on this explain fabricated sales figures to the rest of them?
Or do you think they have nothing better to do than have board meetings to conspire fabricated sales together for an old system that stopped making them money ages ago?

You said you believe they expect Switch to join the 160M club. But even if Switch sells 900 Billion units, PS2 would still be "one of the best selling consoles" regardless. Out of a list of 50+ (including handhelds), only one system would be above it in this scenario.
If I release a console that sells one unit, it doesn't change the fact that the Atari 5200 is still one of the worst selling consoles of all time. Despite selling a million times better. It's still bottom 54 out of 55.
They fabricated sales so they could say what they would already be able to say?

Btw, Playstation is literally a byproduct of the Nintendo Playstation system being cancelled.
So when Shuhei Yoshida today announced his retirement in a blog post, to the surprise of no one when he talked about his history with the company, he mentioned how part of their original team were making Super Nintendo games.

You can't talk about PlayStation's history without acknowledging that Nintendo was literally part of it.
These are just normal conversations for normal people. But in a fringe corner of the internet, they're ammo for a pissing contest.

If the Famicom was a byproduct of a Playstation collaboration being cancelled, they'd mention PlayStation a lot more often.

But as it stands, they don't have a lot of fond memories to mention about that collaboration, do they?

Just because you came up with an excuse doesn't mean it's valid. Masking Vita's failure is not an excuse for withholding PS2 because PSP was used for that. Vita and PSP were combined and PS2 and PS3 were combined to mask Vita and PS3 failures. In 2018 they were celebrating a huge milestone and gave figures including the PS2, so yes they were undoing those efforts. Also, if they wanted to mask Vita's failure then why give any console sales? Just give nothing like Xbox. I'm not understanding why you think masking Vita sales is an excuse to tell us 155.1 million as of March 2012 and now it's 160 as of March 2012? You genuinely see nothing wrong with that? 

As of for the business talk, I don't care about PR because as a business major, I fully understand how inflation plays a big role in higher revenues and higher profits we see in corporations today. Higher prices come with the territory. I'm not saying that's the only reason but you keep flexing PS's business like there aren't tons of layoffs and the business publicly indicted their own employees for being poor with their money. That could have been an internal memory but instead they told the world. You should talk to business people about what type of message is a corporation sending to their employees by publicly calling them out. 

As for my post history, now I know you are emotionally attached by resorting to that. Since that's the game we are playing, I want you to know a mod tried this before as well also protecting the PS2 and I had to go to CGI about their bullying behavior. That mod has now dodged that thread like the plague. I don't want the same to happen to you, you can interact with me without trying to assume my intention via my mod history. My mod history is calling out console warriors. You have bias just like me but mods tend to believe they are above such behavior and that's practically what my conversations are with lead mods. Helping them understand you need to expect the same from your mods, so try to reframe from posting about my history and I'll do the same for you. You have an obvious PS bias and it has always shown on this site. Its showing now by you literally defending a company constantly changing their data, that is some how ignored by you?