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firebush03 said:
Keep parroting US State Department lines and I’ll keep accusing you of being willfully ignorant. My main point is that international conflicts are more nuanced than one side being the “bad guy”. You can accuse me of being overly sympathetic to Russia, but I have no interest in talking about me: Let’s focus on you for a bit, okay? How could you possibly be telling me that my more open-ended perspective on the conflict is less correct than your assertive perspective which relies heavily on some narrative? What evidence do you have to truly back your claims? And taking lines from speeches and what-not isn’t sufficient: Biden and Putin always talk about wanting to engage in peace talks, for example, yet if I pulled this bit of evidence up coming from Putin, you would reject it as rhetoric (as you reasonably should). Let’s get deep into examining the intent behind each countries’ potential interest in engaging/withdrawing from such conflict. To me, it does not at all feel sufficient to narrow it down to Putin wanting imperialist glory. (And I’ll be back later with my points…I’m pushing it off bc while yes the semester is over, I do still have lots of studying to do…I am a math phd, as you may remember.) |
Except I'm not parroting nobodies lines except what I feel is right. That Russia has no excuse to invade another country on the premise that said country may or may not have in the future joined a defensive organisation, especially when Russia themselves have contradicted that narrative multiple times and used dozens of other excuses for their invasion.
But here's you straight up parroting the victim blaming bullshit that it's Ukraine's fault for being invaded because it wanted to join NATO. I'm not an idiot who needs people to feed me lines, I can formulate my own thoughts and opinions. You'd even find me criticising US's approach to this war but once again you've ignored all that.
Many times throughout history conflicts have been simply one bad guy wanting to achieve bad things, Hitler for example.
"Biden and Putin always talk about wanting to engage in peace talks" - Once again you're cutting out Ukraine from the conversation.
This is Ukraine vs Russia, not America vs Russia and there's about a dozen countries in Europe taking a tougher stance than America on Russia.
