| mZuzek said: Just looking through some of the controversial incidents surrounding Liverpool this season... Van Dijk's sending off against Newcastle. Maybe some people will agree with this but I still think he got the ball and barely made any contact with Isak. The ref didn't think for a second. Quansah's penalty against Crystal Palace, a rather arguable call, 50-50 I'd say, far from being "clear and obvious", yet VAR decided to intervene and send the referee to the monitor over 2 minutes after the incident. We went on to win the game but that was ludicrous. Man City game - Beyond that, I'd argue there should've been another penalty earlier for Aké on Salah We also had one of the most ludicrous disallowed goals ever at the League Cup final, which came very close to literally deciding a title. That's just this season. Had these decisions gone the right way, Liverpool would have 7 more points, while Arsenal and Manchester City would each have a point less. It could've been far worse if we weren't so good at overcoming adversity. Never mind how we're still level with Arsenal at the top of the table despite going through one of the worst injury crises in history. I remember reading an article detailing objective data about how often Liverpool gets paired with referees from Manchester, and how often they have controversial VAR calls in their games compared to other Premier League teams, and the difference was beyond staggering. Can't quite find it right now, though. I'm sorry but anyone who genuinely believes Liverpool is favoured by referees is blinded by tribalism. We've been consistently fucked over by referees for as long as I've watched this game, barring a few exceptions (we did get a lot of iffy penalties in 13/14). We were robbed of a legitimate league title because of Rodri's handball in 21/22. I see PGMOL apologies left and right for anyone who plays against Manchester City, and Liverpool have already received 3 of their own this season, possibly a 4th one coming up this week. It's fucking insane how rigged this league is against us. In truth, Arsenal got fucked over too in their game against City, because obviously City is the team that's favoured. No wonder referees favour them after getting paid boatloads to officiate games in the UAE. Anyways I'm done here, have a good week everyone. |
Liverpool fan here as you know. I think the ones you've quoted as going against us that I've left bolded in your quote above were the correct decision, or are not particularly controversial.
Also, some other decisions that went for us off the top of my head - Konate second booking against Everton, and Newcastle penalty claim when it was 3-2 at Anfield, just before Jota wins a very soft penalty at the other end.
Also, you can't equate incorrect decisions with points. If we got that pen in the last minute on Sunday, I wouldn't bank on Salah scoring if he took it. The penalty claim against Arsenal was when we were losing 1-0 if I recall correctly (let me know if I'm wrong here) - all that means is we score earlier that we eventually did (if we did in fact score the penalty). Then the rest of the half plays out completely differently to how it actually did - we'll never know what may have happened there.
We'll never know what would have happened in the Spurs game, as it was so skewed by awful decisions. I'd have fancied us to beat them based on their struggles against us with 10 and then 9 men, but still, it's all conjecture.
You can't whittle down a lost title to one incorrect decision in a match our rival played in 2021/2022. How do we know Everton score the penalty? How do we know that City don't go up the other end and score again if Everton do score?
Look on any footy team's message board, and it'll likely be full of fans moaning that their teams are hard done by, and that other teams / their rivals get all the decisions. Perhaps it's because I don't care as much as I used to, but although I believe there will be some refs who may be susceptible to bias and corruption, I don't think there's some agenda to screw us out of the title. Many fans believe it's the opposite, and that they want to give Klopp the fairytale send off. And people will pick and choose examples to support a narrative.
That said, some of the refs going off and officiating games in the country that bankrolls City is dodgy as fuck. Also worth pointing out is that a big part of the problem is that the refs in general are just fucking awful.
