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KLAMarine on 03 June 2021
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sundin13 said:
KLAMarine said:

"And if we continue that thought for more than a single, vague sentence, you immediately have to confront how we are talking about white power and white supremacy. The only way to avoid that is by avoiding the conversation, and all that avoiding the conversation accomplishes is enabling white supremacy to continue unchallenged."

>I still disagree. Example: if I wanted to call out the fact that blacks are killed in disproportionate numbers by police compared to their white, Asian, and Hispanic counterparts, I need not make any mention of 'white supremacy' at any point.

Watch:

Blacks are killed in disproportionate numbers by police compared to their white, Asian, and Hispanic counterparts. We must put into place reforms to correct this injustice that hurts our black citizens! Better de-escalation tactics, education for both police and our citizenry on how to handle police stops and interactions! Inform as many as possible on their rights when it comes to interactions with law enforcement and how all are entitled to a lawyer when arrested!

And by speaking about such things without really digging into the white supremacist history and ideas, you miss the fact that significant portions of our penal code have historically been created to criminalize minorities. Marijuana criminalization was created on the back of white supremacist nationalism, and the fear of Mexican immigrants. Further, it is largely through the white supremacist ideas of the dangerous black man that black men receive longer prison sentences for the same crime, and racial biases play a very important role in our jury based court system.

Hell, you miss the fact that actual White Supremacist organizations have worked to infiltrate local law enforcement agencies. A "classified FBI Counterterrorism Policy Guide from April 2015, obtained by The Intercept [...] notes that 'domestic terrorism investigations focused on militia extremists, white supremacist extremists, and sovereign citizen extremists often have identified active links to law enforcement officers'" (Source https://theintercept.com/2017/01/31/the-fbi-has-quietly-investigated-white-supremacist-infiltration-of-law-enforcement/ )

Sure, you can kind of tip-toe around some of the central components of the issue, asking for more training (which I support), but the problem is centuries deep and you are barely scratching the surface. 

sundin13, I have excellent news for you: I'm all for rooting any corrupt elements in our judicial, executive, and legislative branches of government. Tread carefully however lest you end up doing more harm than good.

So, where shall we start? Got any police officers or judges you'd like to put on blast right now for their erroneous or biased work?