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sundin13 said:
Flilix said:

I don't really get the connection you're making between everything you're saying and your omnipresent 'white supremacy'.

You're making a perfect link between racial supremacy and xenophobia, which I find very questionable. If a virus originates in one country and then causes other countries to go through a disastrous year, isn't it logical then that quite a few people will develop a hatred against that one country, even if they do not believe in racial superiority at all? For instance, there was a lot of anti-German sentiment in Europe after World War II, but no one believed that they were racially superior to the Germans.

Couldn't the anti-Asian sentiment of the 'whites in power' simply be mostly a result of this logical xenophobia, rather than a major cause? Just like the anti-Asian sentiment of a lot of black Americans is. Or just like the anti-Asian sentiment of a lot of African people is, despite not watching Fox News or being directly part of 'a system of white supremacy'.

The fact that anti-Asian sentiments are more common among white people can simply be explained by the fact that black people are generally more used to discrimination, and thus tend to be more considerate when judging people by their ethnicity.

Edit: just to be clear - when I say that xenophobia is 'logical', I do of course not mean that it's also reasonable or justified.

I often see a lot of people making distinctions between "xenophobia" and "racism". I've never quite understood why it matters. Both are means of discrimination against groups who have been othered. The only difference is whether you want to other people based on the somewhat arbitrary social boundaries of race, or the somewhat arbitrary social boundaries of borders. Further, I feel I've already made clear that when speaking about "white supremacy", I am not talking about people outwardly believing that whites are better than other races. See the first paragraph in the post you quoted. It is about societal values, which we may often see as entirely distinct from "racism" (or xenophobia), yet are not.

I also find the comparison between a virus originating country and the Nazis somewhat bizarre. I will simply say that, no, it is not particularly logical to hate Asians because a virus originated in China, but further I feel it is indisputable that some degree of anti-Asian sentiment has come from powerful white people. This was demonstrated through the source that I posted, which indicates where a large amount of this anti-Asian sentiment is coming from. Would there be some anti-Asian sentiment without white supremacy? Possibly to some degree, but it would almost certainly be a lesser degree (and in the absence of white supremacy, we would also subtract some of the other causes of historical tension which I previously discussed). 

Additionally, I don't believe the assertion that African Americans are not a part of the system of white supremacy is accurate. Of course they are part of the system. You can't live in this country without being part of the system (except for maybe the Amish? I don't fully understand how that works). As previously stated, a black person isn't immune from the idea that a Mexican immigrant is stealing their job just because they are black, or don't watch Fox news. 

It's weird to me that one would refer to xenophobia as 'white supremacy'. The distinction is relevant because they're rooted in distinct thinking systems, they have different causes, ideas and possible 'cures'. Xenophobia might be influenced by racial supremacy, but that doesn't mean that there's an inherent or even a strong link. Here in Europe there are for example a lot of moderate right-leaning people who absolutely love immigrants who are well integrated.

The source you posted could prove that the anti-Asian sentiment is more common among powerful white Americans, but not that it's caused by them. Like I said, it's not surprising that it's common among them, but that doesn't mean that a) it's because of their white supremacy, b) they are the reason why others become more anti-Asian.

Putting things like 'white supremacy' or 'systemic racism' as dogmatic principles does not seem very useful to me.

Last paragraph: I was talking about African Africans, not black Americans.