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Machiavellian on 18 April 2021
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KiigelHeart said:
Machiavellian said:

How do you know he had a gun.  The question would be did you see a gun.  Just because there was a gun at the scene does not mean it was his.  The reason I say this is because there is a point in the video where after the cop shoot the kid, the video cuts out, then he is next to the kid.  In that brief time, well lets just say that anything could happen.  I would be interested to see if his prints are on the gun because we have video of police planting a gun at a scene which was I believe in SC where they shot this one guy in the back.  Planted a gun, called it in but did not know someone was in the bushes videoing the whole thing.  Anyway, its a high stressful situation no matter how you look at it.

As to why at 13 year old would have a gun, come on its America, everyone has a gun.  Any kid can get their hands on a gun if given enough opportunity.  Its the whole reason why people advocate for guns instead of gun control because getting a gun is nothing.  The question is not that a 13 year old kid has a gun shooting at night, its that the culture of the US makes it so easy for immature kids, teens and adults to get guns easily.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rCyvrsVchxs&t=55s

A news clip which looks like the kid pulled a gun from his pocket, possibly to ditch it so cops wouldn't see it. But apparently they did and thought he'll turn around to use it. High stressful situation indeed, a kid died and now the officer has to live with it. 

And yes, the culture of the US, that's where I was going. Though I still think there's plenty wrong with kids shooting guns at streets. Numbers of kids killing people is insane too, let alone violent crime rates in general. 

You do not need the news clip, as the police body cam video shows everything up to the moment of the shot and after the event.  I do not doubt the situation is tense and the perceived threat that the person has a gun is always prevalent within the US culture.  I watched the video probably a dozen times looking at the moment of the cop asking to see the kids hands to the moment of the shot.  There really was no delay. 

He asked to see the kids hands which the kid begins to raise them and then its done.  People stated he moved to fast, why did he turn around and a whole lot of stuff but the thing is the situation was stressful for both.  Logic doesn't always kick in those situations and especially for a kid 13 years old.  What I believe is that there were really not to many things the kid could have done where the cop doesn't shoot him since he shot so fast.  We know he did not see a gun first, we know that the kid never got his hands up.

The thing is, there are videos where people have been shot by cops where they give commands and they still shoot you.  This is why the distrust.  The words of a police within the US is trash because of the ones let free who abuse that power.  There is a video where a man got shot in a driveway because he raised his cell phone or another where he was said to have a gun but it was a cell phone.  Its these situations like this where the police have time and again shot unarmed people on fear and this one will be another.  Whether there was a gun or not, the end results is that it was not in the person hands when they were shot.  The cop did not say put your hands up nice and slow.

So the real problem is comes down to training.  There really isn't besides shoot to kill in the US.  6 months and you can be a cop while other nations it takes years.  Giving clear and direct directions where you are in control probably could prevent some of these types of deaths.

The real problem I see is people being ok that the result is always death and justifying it because their is the perceived threat.  I guess as long as it happens to those gansta then all is ok, until its not.