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TheLegendaryWolf said:
vivster said:

That viewpoint is way too idealistic. It is not viable to check every single personal thought against biases. You can also not always lower yourself to other people's viewpoint, especially since they will never do the same. At some point ignorance will become dangerous and then the gloves need to come off.

If there is one side who mostly bases their opinion on facts and one side who mostly uses lies then it is prudent to give the benefit to the former and ignore the latter. Doesn't matter if the liars sometimes tell the truth or that the good people sometimes lie or err. It's not upon us to sift through their garbage in hope to find some kind justification for people's horrible actions, especially when they won't put in the effort.

Ignorant people who refuse to acknowledge facts after you present it to them can't be reasoned with, so the only thing left is to shout them down immediately. Because if you don't they will feel justified in their beliefs. It's how the US or any other fundamentalist country got as bad as they are. They do not deserve respect, some don't even deserve tolerance. Tolerance is how dangerous cults grow.

Disregarding tolerance and telling certain people they don't deserve respect is also how dangerous cults (and regimes) grow, like all things there has to be a balance (better for the balance to lean just a little more to one side than having it lean all the way in one direction)

What kind of balance are you talking about? One side wants to save humans the other side wants to kill humans. Wanna balance that out and kill only half of the people? How about trying to save as many as possible instead? Serial killers deserve neither respect nor tolerance. If you don't stop killers they will just kill again.

The fear that the left will somehow take everything over and rule with an iron fist is completely unfounded. The left will never rule because it has to fight against human nature and the most powerful apolitical enemies in corporations. The only way to keep things "balanced" is to throw everything to the left in the hopes something will stick. Giving one inch to the right will mean losing 10 inches.

It's also harder, if not impossible, to grow cults on the side of science and facts.

Last edited by vivster - on 21 January 2021

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