Official 2020 US Presidential Election Thread

[vivster]

Rab said:

vivster said:

Because it's useless unless the US establish democracy. And to do that you have to vote democrats first. Voting 3rd party is not only throwing your vote away, it's working actively against what you try to achieve. Just like moronic Bernie supporters not voting for Hillary and effectively giving their vote to Trump, setting them back even further.

Voting against democrats in the US is voting against yourself unless you are a millionaire or a sociopath.

Rab said:

You must have missed the Dems presidential primaries when the Democratic establishment had concerns about nominating Sanders when it appeared he would win by having the enthusiasm with workers and the young for his very progressive policies and honesty, the Establishment then rallied to block Sanders in favour of Biden who up until then had low voter turnout and enthusiasm because his policies were status quo in nature  

There is a reason Trump became president, and it wasn't because of the Est Dems empathy and policy choices that favoured the working class, they wanted to stay in power not for the people (if so why not champion policies that favour the working class like Sanders did), but for the people in power and privilege (their own class) 

2024 could see the Reps get back in if the Dems don't change to better reflect the young and working class aspirations, if they just benefit the big donors and themselves as the ruling class they will be in trouble come 2024, unfortunately the makeup of the cabinet is setting this up for a bad 2024, mixed demographically but ideologically consistent with the status quo, the progressives with the enthusiastic base are not truly represented in Bidens cabinet picks

The Reps and Dems are different sides of the same bent coin, Sanders/AOC wanted to mint a new coin 

Dems lost against Trump because of politics, not because of their policy. Idiotic Bernie voters are actually one of the main reasons why Trump won. And I'm not saying people who support Bernie are idiots, I'm saying people who support Bernie and don't vote for Hillary or Biden are idiots.

The US is at a point where it literally does not matter how far left or right the policy of the established Democrats are. As long as they are left of whatever the Republicans do it's a Boolean choice. It doesn't matter if the chance to get more socialist policies with established democrats is only 0.1%. It's still more than 0%, which is what you get when you don't vote for Democrats.

While the difference of 0.1 doesn't seem big between Republicans and Democrats it is actually magnitudes apart. Which is why it is not helpful to say that they are similar. It'll only confuse the biggest morons on this planet, undecided voters.

The reason Trump won wasn't because of Bernie's policies which have very high approval ratings with the working class (Trump Supporters) and the young (Universal Healthcare, College Free tuition, The Green New Deal), nore was it Bernie's supporters abstaining to vote for Hillary (Hillary supporters abstained in greater numbers from voting for Obama in 2008) Hillary was generally a despised figure, her approval was extremely low in many polls 

What killed it for Hillary was her lack of any policy that addresses the real systemic issues in America today all centering around income inequality and its repercussions, she was happy to pander to Large Donors and Wall Street CEOs to get support at the expense of the people that really needed her support

Your analysis of the situation mirror nicely the EST Dems reasoning that lost them a shock election to Trump with his populous politics targeted working class America, the same working class America that the Dems are supposed to care about and fight for. The EST Dems have lost their way and people like yourself support their views, your all walking toward another cliff in 2024, oblivious to the real reason Trump became president

The Dems must be honest with themselves and stop making excuses, America needs champions right now to lift the lower income workers and struggling or they will continue to be shocked as they continue to pander to the powerful by attacking anyone even in their own party that wants to change the status quo (Universal Healthcare, College Free tuition, The Green New Deal) 

Yeah, no. If the American voter cared at all about policy they would've voted in droves for Hillary, completely disregarding her character or message. But they didn't and that shows there are more superficial factors deciding who they vote for. To me there are 2 factors:

1. She is generally very unlikable and never really tried to appear as being close to the working class or understanding their struggles. Basically she never positioned herself as someone you could get a drink with. She was the stereotypical stiff politician and people hate politicians. Not to mention she was seen as the villain who duped Bernie, the people's champion.

2. Too much confidence for Democrat voters. Nobody took Trump seriously and polls showed Hillary easily leading, which lead to widespread voter apathy among left leaning voters. 

This nicely contrasts with the latest election where the voting campaigns where much more insistent and constant and juxtaposed against a Trump who was absolutely hated now. Since he was already voted once there was a great fear he could do it again, so it drove more people to the polls. That is the one and only explanation for the increased voter turnout. It wasn't the policy of the progressives, it was their voting campaigns that helped secure the presidency.

This election there were 15 million more Democratic voters. Where do you think they came from? Certainly not defecting from the Trump camp. Those were people who just didn't bother going to the polls last time and the reason behind that certainly weren't that Hillary's policies weren't radical enough. Because if you are a progressive and don't vote for the established democrats you area a grade A moron and a terrible progressive at that.