Official 2020 US Presidential Election Thread

[vivster]

Bofferbrauer2 said:

vivster said:

False equivalence yet again. It's really not beneficial for any democracy to pretend that "both sides are the same", when they are clearly not. At least not in the US. It's an easy cop-out to not have to think about politics too hard.

There is one side who fights for the majority of Americans and there is the other side who fights only for themselves. Both have big donors and want to stay in power, but only one of them is actually practicing democracy. And that seems to be a pretty big difference. Big enough to not equate them.

And even if he was true, then why support the status quo? Why not vote third party if you're unhappy with the both big parties?

Because it's useless unless the US establish democracy. And to do that you have to vote democrats first. Voting 3rd party is not only throwing your vote away, it's working actively against what you try to achieve. Just like moronic Bernie supporters not voting for Hillary and effectively giving their vote to Trump, setting them back even further.

Voting against democrats in the US is voting against yourself unless you are a millionaire or a sociopath.

Rab said:

vivster said:

False equivalence yet again. It's really not beneficial for any democracy to pretend that "both sides are the same", when they are clearly not. At least not in the US. It's an easy cop-out to not have to think about politics too hard.

There is one side who fights for the majority of Americans and there is the other side who fights only for themselves. Both have big donors and want to stay in power, but only one of them is actually practicing democracy. And that seems to be a pretty big difference. Big enough to not equate them.

You must have missed the Dems presidential primaries when the Democratic establishment had concerns about nominating Sanders when it appeared he would win by having the enthusiasm with workers and the young for his very progressive policies and honesty, the Establishment then rallied to block Sanders in favour of Biden who up until then had low voter turnout and enthusiasm because his policies were status quo in nature  

There is a reason Trump became president, and it wasn't because of the Est Dems empathy and policy choices that favoured the working class, they wanted to stay in power not for the people (if so why not champion policies that favour the working class like Sanders did), but for the people in power and privilege (their own class) 

2024 could see the Reps get back in if the Dems don't change to better reflect the young and working class aspirations, if they just benefit the big donors and themselves as the ruling class they will be in trouble come 2024, unfortunately the makeup of the cabinet is setting this up for a bad 2024, mixed demographically but ideologically consistent with the status quo, the progressives with the enthusiastic base are not truly represented in Bidens cabinet picks

The Reps and Dems are different sides of the same bent coin, Sanders/AOC wanted to mint a new coin 

Dems lost against Trump because of politics, not because of their policy. Idiotic Bernie voters are actually one of the main reasons why Trump won. And I'm not saying people who support Bernie are idiots, I'm saying people who support Bernie and don't vote for Hillary or Biden are idiots.

The US is at a point where it literally does not matter how far left or right the policy of the established Democrats are. As long as they are left of whatever the Republicans do it's a Boolean choice. It doesn't matter if the chance to get more socialist policies with established democrats is only 0.1%. It's still more than 0%, which is what you get when you don't vote for Democrats.

While the difference of 0.1 doesn't seem big between Republicans and Democrats it is actually magnitudes apart. Which is why it is not helpful to say that they are similar. It'll only confuse the biggest morons on this planet, undecided voters.