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An ad-hominem, I'm so shocked! In reality, when I made my post, something told me that you'd be the first to reply, then Jwein. You just can't accept that someone has a concervative opinion, and now look, you ad-hominem me. I don't have and never had a mask, this was my opinion all along. For you however I can't say the same. All you do is push your leftist agenda non-stop on political threads, your deception is so predictable. |
You are also doing ad-hominem.
Don't be hypocritical if you are going to complain about someone doing something, then do the exact same thing, it just destroys any logical argument you may be attempting to push forth.
| padib said: People who do not have a health condition and who are under the age of 40 should not wear the mask. They should contract the virus, boost their immune systems, and continue to work. |
The United States is doing this. As a result it has the most COVID cases and the most deaths in the world... In-fact COVID has killed more Americans than World War 1. - Potentially more Americans may die from COVID over the span of the entire pandemic than World War 2.
The issue with those who are under 40... If they do not wear protection, then they will spread the disease more rapidly to those over 40, wearing a mask is a protection measure that can save a life.
Yes we need to work, the economy needs to keep functioning, but the United States is shit on that front as well... Clearly doing the absolute minimum in regards to the Virus and balancing the economy isn't working... The USA is trending very very very poorly, one of the worst nations in the world.
The nations who defeated the Virus like Australia and New Zealand were able to get back to economic output sooner and more rapidly than the USA who is still fumbling around in the dark trying to work out how to manage a pandemic.
If I was an American I would be extremely embarrassed by the lack of leadership and direction.
| padib said: Compare that with what we have to go through, an honestly absurd situation.
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The USA has always been a little weapon-happy, people are always happy to shout "freedom" instead of just doing the right thing to keep everyone safe and happy.
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Wear a fucking mask, use hand sanitzier, wear gloves, social distance, do the right thing that has proven to work in curbing virulent spread, then people won't be afraid to visit these places anymore.
You are part of the problem if you refuse to do these things, so no point complaining about these businesses closing as a nation it's your fault.
Having a competent government that provides support to these businesses is also a must.
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Jobs have been lost world wide, the USA seems to be prolonging this issue though.
I think a worldwide contraction of -3% is going to happen this year, big chunk of that is thanks to China and the USA.
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Prove it.
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Good.
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You will probably end up killing your grandmother due to your refusal to take appropriate COVID precautions like you alluded to prior.
So it's probably the absolute very best for her own welfare.
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That's life, work around it.
| padib said: This is all for what? There is nothing that tells us that COVID is what the media has bombarded us with, all the fear and confusion and ignorance. The COVID is not the problem we are led to believe it is, but it is only a scare, a magic trick played by the elite to lead us to a globalized police government. |
You are also spreading fear and ignorance about the issue, you have taken what the conservative-right wing media has promoted and ran full hog with it.
The "Elite" includes the likes of Donald Trump who you have aligned yoruself with, a little hypocritical if you complain about the Elite but promote Trump at every opportunity.
| padib said: We all need to be very careful about what we're allowing our governments to do, and this is not just in the US, but all around the globe. People have become numb to common sense and to the defence of their sovereinty and rights. |
Life, Property, Environment.
In order from most important to least important, but all still important... Those are the foundations that the emergency services are built upon here, sadly property aka. Money seems to take a priority in your eyes and the eyes of the USA, which is absolutely frightening.
And I agree we need to keep Governments held accountable... And not blame shifting to other parties, Trump is guilty for everything that is happening in the USA right now, China is guilty for kickstarting the pandemic.
Both need to be held accountable in order to bring back a sense of trust to the political system in the USA, because right now... The world is watching and the world is not copying the USA.
| padib said: For me, right now, Trumps election means more to me than any election has ever had for any nation, even more so than Belarus, Egypt and Israel or my own Canada. Trump is fighting a war against the global machine that Kennedy warned us against, and got assassinated for. It's time we finally do something about this invisible mob and fight. |
Prove it. Don't just promote baseless conspiracies, actually try and prove it.
| padib said: Feels shitty, doesn't it? That's how it is to have a conservative opinion here. There's just no room for it and no tolerance. My post post wasn't anti-left like some are saying, it's the truth. I just described the left as I saw it, and if it's negative, then that's what it objectively is. I'm not being anti-something if that something is negative. |
There is tolerance for conservative opinions here, no point having a whinge. - Hence why you are still allowed to post, but that doesn't mean you are allowed to promote your bullshit (left wing or right wing) without opposition, opinions go TWO WAYS. It's a forum. Everyone has an opinion, yours isn't the only one existing in a vacuum.
Either way this part of your post is a thought-terminating cliche which could probably fall towards the red herring logical fallacy... Essentially your argument is that... You don't care if you are wrong, you just want to impose your opinion without anyone countering it.
| Nautilus said: It's not that you guys suck. It's that you guys don't discuss, but rather jump on people throats for not sharing the same opinion. It's the same back in the COVID thread. If you didn't think that the virus was that big of a deal and was more worried about the economical fallout of all this, you were gunned down for being "heartless". |
They are being heartless and I have personally elaborated many times on why they were heartless.
Life comes above all else. No exception.
If you have only entered this thread to attack other individuals rather than contribute to the flow of discussion... Then perhaps you should step out of the thread. If you intend to provide your own thoughts, regardless if we agree or disagree, then welcome.
| LurkerJ said: Trump 2020 is not Trump 2016, he's running on a conservative republican platform now, which is a snooze. Screaming "socialism" will get you nowhere. In 2016, Trump was the socialist when compared to Hillary, in fact, issue by issue, Trump was on the left to Hillary in most cases. Say what you want about his credibility, but his platform was engaging. |
I personally wouldn't consider Trump or Hillary as socialist-pushing left-wing ideal promoters.
The USA seems to be a big step over to the right as far as the political left vs right political line is concerned, so left-wing stuff tends to be more centrist/right-wing in the rest of the world.
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