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[Alara317]

KLAMarine said:

SpokenTruth said:

We just had a simulation because you're still hung up on it even when you do know the intent behind the name.

It wouldn't change a damn thing.  You know, I know it.  Like I said, they'd just counter-protest with "white lives also matter".

Because this semantics messaging thing is a red herring.  It's a scapegoat.  A cop out.  It's an excuse to gripe about exclusion so they don't have to face the reality of the situation and actually discuss reforms and change.  You know it, I know it. 

This is the scenario you are expecting us to believe:

BLM: Our movement is called Black Lives Matter and it's purpose is to address police brutality and social injustice.
Response: All Lives Matter. 

BLaM: Our movement is called Black Lives also Matter and it's purpose is to address police brutality and social injustice. 
Response: Oh, wow.  Let's discuss these important issues of police brutality and social injustice.

"You know it, I know it."

>Simply asserting something is so doesn't make it so.

"Because this semantics messaging thing is a red herring.  It's a scapegoat.  A cop out.  It's an excuse to gripe about exclusion so they don't have to face the reality of the situation and actually discuss reforms and change."

>And it's probably going to continue to be used as a red herring/scapegoat/cop out/excuse so long as the name stays as is.

Or we could rename to BLaM and see if that helps mitigate the semantics issue. We won't truly know until we try.

Hopefully it'll help Runa out who's sick of having to repeat himself.

Runa216:

KLAMarine said:

Do you get sick of having to make this point?

oh yeah, I do. I hate the fact that I have to keep saying this to people who don't get it. 

TK-Karma said:

When it comes to the concept of simulations, they are never seen as "the truth". They are simply tools, built on many assumptions themselves, which inform decision-makers on what may happen in a given scenario. No simulation is a perfect reflection of reality (maybe quantum simulations, but let's not open that can of worms). Why not classify imagination as a simulation/tool, in which you can play around with and assess ideas? Realistically, it is the only (i.e. best) tool we have to explore these types of decision spaces, otherwise we have nothing at all and we can't move beyond square one.

Further to SpokenTruth's point, I feel like this idea has been raised in discussions before ...

For simplicity I'll just copy/paste the contents from that previous post, here:

Your demonstrated strategy for political discourse on this forum lacks imagination in your pursuit to learn, in that you choose to not exercise your imagination. You seem too scared to think/talk about situations that's not got some perfectly framed and uncut video-footage associated with it, which limits your ability to be aware of what can/cannot be likely. Unfortunately we dont have that luxury in the real-world and without using your imagination, it's gonna be hard to properly exercise empathy and connect with those on the other side to work on a solution that gets collective buy-in ... some might also call this a functioning democracy ;)

"Why not classify imagination as a simulation/tool, in which you can play around with and assess ideas?"

>One certainly can use imagination to simulate but how does one confirm outcomes?

Jumpin said:

Yep, that's the phrase, and the people who chant it at counter-protests are too damn stupid to see their own absurdity.

Counter protesting with "ALL LIVES MATTER" is as stupid as counter protesting "Free Tibet" with "FREE ALL PEOPLE" or countering "Save the Rain Forest" with "SAVE ALL TREES!"  it's because instead of hearing "Black lives matter" they hear "White lives don't matter" -- what is clear is these are NOT bright people =P

I think it might be because BLM makes little to no mention of white victims of police brutality. They're as much victims as anyone.

Alara317 said:

"I have breast cancer" ALL CANCERS MATTER

"My house is on fire" ALL HOUSES MATTER

"My son is disables" ALL KIDS MATTER

"I broke my arm" ALL BONES MATTER

all of those statements are true, but they're not what needs attention right now.

Blacks aren't the only ones being killed by police.

All Lives Matter covers all lives, not just black lives.

Jesus christ how culturally ignorant are you? Yes, we know it isn't JUST black people being killed, but the reality is that they are being targetted with increased rates and there are far more examples of black (men in particular) people being killed by cops despite them being a minority in the US. THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT. IT's not saying ONLY black lives matter or ONLY black lives are being affected, but that we live in a world where it seems culturally accepted to treat black people with less respect. Why are you being so aggressively ignorant on this issue? Why are you being so stubborn in your right to be disingenuous? what do you gain by trying to devalue the very real strife affecting millions of people in your country? 

THIS is why BLM as a movement exists. People like you are the reason it needs to be made clear now more than ever that systemic racism is a very real and very pervasive thing. You are a glowing example of how racism persists in this world. You might not be burning crosses or wearing a ghost robe, but you're enabling it by pretending racism doesn't exist or otherwise refusing to accept its pervasive influence.