SpokenTruth said:
1). How does being newer to the country make one less American? 2). You can prove that most of people in the US that want socialism or social programs are illegal immigrants? 3). What is a real American? |
It is not a universal case on an individual level so it doesn't speak to some anecdote friends we might have in our personal lives, but rather one that accurately describes the generations on general or scientific terms. Ideological transformation has actually always been a problem with any mass migration to this country which is why almost all our immigration policies prior to the 1965 immigration act were extremely strict even with Europeans and often factored in ideology and job capabilities when allowing people to come to this country. The 1930s were met with some backlash which is why Republicans in the 1940s passed an immigration moratorium and several clarifications on citizenship. The Nationality Act of 1940 would suggest that dual citizens should not be in our country and in fact lose citizenship, yet there are tons of them maintain influence in congress today (mostly dual citizens from Israel). Until 1990 there was plenty of official policy that allowed for the US to reject people who supported anarchism or socialism and other left wing beliefs. It wasn't a perfect system and enforcement varied greatly, but it definitely represented an American consciousness against these ideas. The 1965 immigration act was also passed under false promises, that we would see no demographic transformation on both the basis of race and ideology.
The truth there is an ideological divide between those who decent from older generations of Americans and those from newer generations the latter who often produce children that are often far more left wing than themselves at higher rates than the overall population. This is in part due to our education system pitting them against American ideas through cultural marxism. Legal immigration numbers have sky-rocketed to levels that take no effort to explain as to how or why they are problematic and subversive to the American worker. Also, worth noting the same people who want socialism are the same people that claim every older American hero was racist and needs to be cancelled. The one's violently protesting against our government should be considered traitors which is how they would have been treated 100 or 200 years ago and how the Nationality Act of 1940 claimed that they should lose citizenship. It's obvious that corrupt politicians only support open borders because it creates a voting block which is why many of the long term democrats that have been in power actually flip flopped on the issue. I support repatriation efforts which might sound like a fancy word for deportation, but it's the most logical evolution of the American consciousness and one that is more ethical than the stages that led to the current state of American politics. At the very least we should implement an immigration moratorium as we have several times in our country's past. Socialism has no place in America and is in fact itself anti-American. America has a socialist and social marxist problem.
While some regulations and policies that I support might seem socialistic I am ultimately in favor of private property and there's no limit to problems with normalizing socialism as acceptable or benevolent. Of course capitalism needs some regulations especially with bank usury, monopolies, and newer technology being neglected currently. I also ultimately believe a system is only part of what creates a good society and that ultimately the moral principles of its people are also important. A national healthcare system wouldn't be a horrible act to transform our country, but it would create some problems and make our system worse. However, this thread was based on the wider notion of socialism. Socialism itself is based on resentment and misjudgment of human conditions at its philosophical origin.
Even the OP of this thread the conversation was set forth with a framing that calls into question the level of "good faith" in this discussion. It's not an irrational fear at all to oppose socialism, but an intuitive American consciousness. Also, if anything our current education system does a terrible job at educating Americans about its evils; rather it intentionally subverts it which is why more and more people support it. Social marxism and infiltration have been a problem for decades and these aren't conspiracy theories as almost everyone on the right can at least provide some examples let alone actual factors like affirmative action, FDR allowing foreign communists into our Ivy League colleges through his own affirmative action, and tons of policies that are systematically anti-American in nature (such as education programs that only target minorities or immigrants). Everyone should understand the slippery slope of socialism is real and socialist nations have no doubt led to highest levels of displacement through immigration, slavery and police states, dystopia dysfunction, and mass starvation in every form and compared to every ideology. Socialism has been worse than all of white supremacy, fascism, and religious oppression combined which I agree had many problems in their own cases. Socialism (and communism) are the deadliest and ugliest ideology in human history that have led to the highest levels of suffering. That is why we "fear" socialism.
Conversely American capitalism/industrialization almost immediately lowered poverty to historical record bests, created decades of generational wealth, countless foundational inventions, and towards the tail end of the industrialization boom America was the tallest nation on the planet. Its global influence led to global record bests in lowering poverty and starvation. Meanwhile a lot of globalist policies today are actually destabilizing the third world, reopening slave trade, used for trafficking, and flooding the first world with the third world and creating long term problems. Don't get me wrong the neocon Republicans are just as bad as the Democrats. Interestingly neoconservatism was originally penned by so called defectors of communism. It's almost like choosing between Mensheviks (neocons) and Bolskeviks (democrats). Of course they don't like each other, but both hate the actual nation (Americans) more than each other. Hence the constant gaslighting against Americans. We need to see a capitalist revival and repatriation of anti-Americans in this country if we want to get the best version of America.
