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[KLAMarine]

Otter said:

KLAMarine said:

>On the bit about statistics, ever heard of 'correlation does not equal causation'?

"Regarding the second part, so you think this person is a genuine protestor? Not everything has to be argument, to me and many others, his demeanor and prep seems way off, make a judgement call for yourself."

>I really don't know and who gives a shit? He smashed some windows and then pissed off. Why should anyone besides that store honestly care!?

"But you'll notice that he stands alone out like a sore thumb in all the footage you'll see."

>Yeah, I think the umbrella does that.

"The man wore clean, full-body coverings. He had a large umbrella to shelter him from overhead surveillance. He had one job. He brought a hammer. He was calm & methodical. He acted, then exited, avoiding to engage." Like its just strange and reason for suspicion"

>Still proves nothing beyond his being suspicious.

"Proves". No one is proving anything in this discussion. You ridiculed the idea that this could be an undercover officer.

If police or any other agency are using agents to fuel unrest, participate riots etc. That's in the public interests and it's the only reason we are looking at this video.

"ever heard of 'correlation does not equal causation'?"

Of course but you're not providing any alternate cause for the disparity whilst there's been strong and long documentation of racism in  the police force & the US in general.

Just last week this woman went viral hysterically pretending to be in danger whilst using the mans' race as a weapon against him, because she belives him being "African American" will trigger a more imminent and threatening response from the police.

Oh, when Karens take a walk with their dogs off leash in the famous Bramble in NY’s Central Park, where it is clearly posted on signs that dogs MUST be leashed at all times, and someone like my brother (an avid birder) politely asks her to put her dog on the leash. pic.twitter.com/3YnzuATsDm

— Melody Cooper (@melodyMcooper) May 25, 2020

And at the very least we can say the "cause" is the action of the police and there are many documentated cases, 3 from the last week alone, where they kill unarmed people through reckless actions. They were all black but that doesn't even matter, there needs to be accountability.

And honestly you intent of roadblocking these conversations without having any actual believe or stance is also part of the problem. What exactly are you arguing? That racism doesn't exist? I'm personally going to be more selective about how I spend my energy,  so I won't respond to you again but please think long and hard about what your actual stance is before committing to this endless devil's advocacy. 

"Proves". No one is proving anything in this discussion. You ridiculed the idea that this could be an undercover officer.

If police or any other agency are using agents to fuel unrest, participate riots etc. That's in the public interests and it's the only reason we are looking at this video.

>I'm ridiculing the piss-poor evidence being forwarded for this umbrella fella being an agent of some sort.

Of course but you're not providing any alternate cause for the disparity whilst there's been strong and long documentation of racism in  the police force & the US in general.

>Alternate cause for disparity for what? Blacks being over represented in use of force cases?..

Ugh, I don't like talking about people in such a generalized manner but... here's one guess: the longstanding stigma against police and their being racist colors the perception of far too many in black communities, a perception driven in part by media focus on cases of police brutality against black victims while similar cases of police brutality against white victims go under reported. As a result, interactions between blacks and police are more likely to take a turn for the worse since the black individual may feel they have more to fear than a white individual.

Just last week this woman went viral hysterically pretending to be in danger whilst using the mans' race as a weapon against him, because she belives him being "African American" will trigger a more imminent and threatening response from the police.

>Sounds like this woman subscribes to the belief that police are automatically anti-black. And what happened if/when police showed up? Gonna guess they just shrugged it off and told the two to part ways.

And at the very least we can say the "cause" is the action of the police and there are many documentated cases, 3 from the last week alone, where they kill unarmed people through reckless actions. They were all black but that doesn't even matter, there needs to be accountability.

>I firmly agree there needs to be accountability. From all parties, not just police.

And honestly you intent of roadblocking these conversations without having any actual believe or stance is also part of the problem. What exactly are you arguing? That racism doesn't exist? I'm personally going to be more selective about how I spend my energy,  so I won't respond to you again but please think long and hard about what your actual stance is before committing to this endless devil's advocacy.

>Racism certainly exists in many forms, some forms more malignant than others and I like to think of myself as a guardian against leaps of logic in these sorts of conversations. I'm sure some would classify George Floyd's death as a racist incident while I would not be so hasty: based on my knowledge of the incident, It seems more to me a case of negligence and insufficient officer training.