Official 2020 US Election: Democratic Party Discussion

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Rab said:

Trump isnt the real issue, Trump is a symptom of the real issue, until we change the system to include all the people and not just give a dominiate voice to the elites (both Dems and Reps) the people will suffer

Bernie was going a long way to help the people particularly poc with plans for the Green New Deal, M4A, Higher Basic Income and other programs that often helped poc the most proportionally, it's not good enough to vote for the establishment again and get shafted again, Trump isnt the issue

This is said perfectly, I have nothing else to add, I just wanted to highlight this.

tsogud said:

Moren said:

Again, talking as if you held the universal truth. Your truth is not the truth of most POC as the primary results showed.

Here. I said it numerous times, even when it seemed Bernie was going to be the nominee:

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9110596

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9102135

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9090699

Whatever mistakes Obama had, his administration was in many respects a lot of steps forward. The scope of the damage Trump has done is not in the same ballpark. Trump has gone after the LGBT community, refugees, DACA recipients, schools and it's all been a major regression. And don't accuse me of having some kind of abstract privilege just because I actually am pragmatic.

I'm all for a left-leaning VP like Warren, but populism is the worst cancer, and I'm glad we stopped it and we'll finally destroy it this November.

Being a centrist or moderate doesn't make you pragmatic whatsoever. How you go about your policies and implementing them whether your a populist, centrist, leftist, liberal, or conservative makes you pragmatic. Shunning a whole group of voters, actively encouraging toxic rhetoric and shaming, and being divisive like you continue to do isn't pragmatism either. Obviously you have some kind of personal vendetta against populism for some reason, which is incredibly odd and not rational or pragmatic.

The fact of the matter is that most Americans and an overwhelming majority of Democrats believe we should have universal single payer healthcare, with M4A specifically being the most popular plan, yet we have Biden as the nominee. Clearly it's not as cut and dry as you make it out to be. Politics is complicated and why someone votes the way they do or not vote at all varies. There are many factors at play but populism isn't dead, that's a foolish thing to insinuate, it's alive and thriving and will continue to thrive past this election and the next.

Most POC haven't voted yet and most won't vote at all in this primary, so having the primary results be the determinate of our truth is disingenuous and factually incorrect. Just listen when a fellow human speaks their piece on how to improve their lives. I guarantee you that you won't find "balancing the deficit" or making sure the executives and CEOs of the oil and healthcare industry are well taken of in their truths.

Being privileged ain't a bad thing, what you do with your privilege makes all the difference. Are you gonna shut the door behind you? Or are you gonna help the most vulnerable? Are you gonna push your candidate to adopt inclusive, universal policies or are you gonna hurl insults and vote shame poor people to vote for another rich and powerful person who they know don't really care?

To add to this which is something people in the democratic party keep missing, the electorate for the democratic primary and the general election are 2 different groups. The strategy for winning a primary and winning a general isn't the same and the voters you have to appeal to are different. Most people voting in the primary will support the candidate under the banner they voted (which is stupid imo) but that's not how it works in the primary. They vote for who they feel is the "best" to win. People have this idea that Trump is the biggest threat ever and must be stopped or all will be lost and they buy into this narrative that Biden beats Trump and will beat Trump and that americans will never go for socialism. Let me point something out for those that don't study history, the last time we had a social democrat (that's what Bernie is btw) in power, he had 4 terms in office and died there.

I've watched a lot of independent journalism and listened to people on the ground and you know what I hear the most? "If Bernie is the nominee I'd support him, but I doubt they'll let him get it and in that case I wont vote." The point is now gone where this can be the case so we're at the "wont vote" part. On top of that the democratic primary isn't very democratic. The people have a right to decide who should be their representative, their leader and the leader of their country, so why do closed primaries exist? Why do I have to be registered as a Dem to vote in my own primary to decide who would be the leader of my country? WHy do I have to jump through so many hoops to vote? Why do you keep shutting down polling places the day of elections?

I'm just gonna say it. There was clear blatant voter fraud and voter suppression throughout the entire primary and if you think the guy who never spent a cent or even any time in any of those super tuesday states somehow won them I have a bridge to sell you. My point is very simple, using the primary as a yard stick isn't a good idea and it doesn't represent the electorate. The Most popular politician in all of America with the largest grass roots organizing losing in states where he's been having people go around and text etc like mad, losing to the guy that was hiding himself away so that people don't realize his cognitive decline doesn't add up. But its not my problem anymore, I don't like my representative so I'm not voting for her, I don't like Biden or Trump and I don't trust Howie Hawkins and I hope he's not the green candidate or else I really will be sitting home in november.