Pemalite said:
EricHiggin said:
I get how it works, that's why my point worked. Religion is about using the 'biblical method' let's call it, that points to God and the possibility of eternal life in heaven. Some use those tools, find they work, and venture forth hoping to achieve these things. While some proclaim to have found God while living, nobody completely finds out about life after death until it's too late to document and prove.
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The "Biblical method" is based upon the claims found in the Bible and not evidence... The Bible then uses the power of fear and ignorance to conform people to it's indoctrination.
Those who "claim" they have "found God" have absolutely zero repeatable tests to verify their claims, ergo their claims can be discarded with equally as much evidence.
God can actually resolve this debate entirely, right now, permanently, if he existed.
EricHiggin said:
Science still get's things wrong, makes mistakes, creates things that get turned into weapons that could kill us all in a flash. Is that better or worse than before? I'd say it's worth the risks of the negatives that have come with it, not so much different than religion. Progress isn't perfect.
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It's actually a good thing that science gets things wrong, makes mistakes. That is the entire point of the scientific method.
It doesn't assert anything as 100% factual, ever. It is capable of changing it's views.
All things we enjoy in the modern era, advanced medicines, communications, efficient transport, even the yields we get from crops... Is all thanks to the scientific method.
The Scientific method has even allowed us to explore the stars.
What has religion done? Flown planes into buildings? Abused children? Attack the LGBTQI community endlessly? Recruited child soldiers?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_attacks
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord%27s_Resistance_Army
EricHiggin said:
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God is all knowing but also eternal. Does time work the same for God? Is there a beginning, middle, and end? Is it all one big long day for God? If they truly have a plan, if the plan eventually succeeds, does that mean it was all good to them? Could it have been done better? You'd think not if God knows everything.
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For God to be "all knowing and eternal", God needs to actually exist... And for the existence to be proven, you need a thing called evidence.
Fact of the matter is there are thousands of Christian denominations... If the Christians cannot even agree on all the rubbish found in the Bible, then why should anyone else take it seriously?
Not to mention all through history there have been thousands of religions/gods... And they all claim the same old bullshit that is found in the Bible, that their God is the only God, that their God is the true God...
I mean, Muslims, Jewish and Christians technically worship the same "god". - The Abrahamic God, how does that make you feel knowing you are painted with the same brush as those religious sects? How do you know that your position is the correct one and theirs the incorrect one?
EricHiggin said:
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Having a life horrible enough to want to end it does not necessarily mean you have mental issues. It's possible they could have mental issues though, but again, you don't know that until after the fact. God doesn't want people offing themselves either though. Seems like you agree with them on that then.
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If you want to end your life, you have a mental illness or are suffering from such intense physical pain that Euthanasia is an option, either way, it's brought on by an illness.
I work in multiple rescue agencies, I've seen it all. I am trained in dealing with Mental health.
EricHiggin said:
My evidence would be the Bible. Not worth playing the prove it game, because there's many things science thought it could prove, yet hasn't. Now the scientists would probably say they simply need more time. Well to be fair then, just give the worshipers more time as well.
Would things have definitely worked out better if the P.M. did things differently? You can assume/guess they might have, but nobody can know for certain.
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The Bible is the claim, not evidence.
As for things in science not being proven... Well. Until it is proven, those claims can be discarded, same goes for religion, science isn't rigid, it doesn't assert ANYTHING as fact until it has the evidence to support it's theory.
Worshippers have been given 6,000+ years to prove their religion and God exists and have failed to do so, how much time do you want?
 
Where do we draw the line?
How do you know the flying spaghetti monster isn't real? The tooth fairy even?
Yes the P.M could have done a better job, by not sending thoughts and prayers and actually doing the job he is employed to do... That is support the country by direct means, not touchy-feely feel-good religious propaganda.
 
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Must everything conform to the scientific method? Are other methods allowed? It's not the one, and only, method, is it?
Just because God doesn't do something you want them to or think they should, that mean's they don't exist? Hidden answers don't just appear because you want them to.
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Well is the Bible entirely fact or just a book to get you to potentially believe and follow? Has religion changed over time as well?
I'm not saying the scientific method is useless, it's useful, but can it prove 100% that God can't exist? If it ever does, then odds are many will change their minds.
What has science done? Chemical weapons, nukes, etc? Negatives along with positives?
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Has science proved God can't exist? Why not?
Do some Christians agree on some things? Do all scientists agree on everything?
Old science that made claims that weren't true is something to point out as an extremely bad thing?
Nobody knows until they find the answer they are content with, like science.
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What did they used to think and how did they use to treat some of these people? Differently than now? Why?
When it comes to suicide and mental health, the professionals, and you, know everything? Can't be wrong? Even partially?
What about people who decide to end someone else's life? Are they mentally ill? Could they just be sympathetic?
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If scientific claims were discarded they'd never have proven anything. They must have some faith in their idea's and continue.
Worshipers believe God is eternal, so, a lot, longer.
Good question. Where do we draw it? Can science answer that? Can it disprove the tooth fairy?
I can't help but feel you're a little biased here. Kinda like being given a Werther's Original when you'd much rather have a large glass of water. More water probably would've been a good idea along with the wishes though.
