Pemalite said:
Mr Puggsly said:
Okay, I disagree.
A mid range PC is more like enough to get the job done, nothing fancy. You instead feel mid range is a machine ready for next gen.
I remember early in the 8th gen people said these consoles were mid gen PCs. I guess you would have argued they were actually potatoes.
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You are moving the goal posts just to argue for the sake of arguing.
Are you really denying that mid-range PC rigs don't come with 8GB GPU's and 16GB of System memory?
...Because like. I am ready with evidence and stuff to quickly contradict you and stuff.
Azzanation said:
Genuine question Pemalite,
The Series X has 16 Gigs (13Gigs of GDDR6 and 3 Gigs of DDR6 Ram) I don't know any GPU on the market that's mid range that offers 16gigs of GDDR6, not even high end models have 16gigs of GDDR6.. the Mid range PCs you are referring to are 16gigs of DDR3 or DDR4 with 2gigs to 4gigs of GDDR5 ram, its quite the opposite of what type of ram they are running. Correct me if I am wrong here.
Now I don't know the difference between running a game on a 16gigs DDR4 ram on PC compared to a Console running 16gigs of GDDR6 Ram.. but it doesn't sound like a mid range PC is on par there.
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Well. We don't actually know how much memory the Xbox Series X actually has yet, that information hasn't been revealed, it could be more than 16GB, it could be less. - It could be 16GB of DDR4 and 8GB of GDDR6 or HBM2, we can't actually draw comparisons yet.
PC GPU's don't need to have 16GB of GDDR6 to match the series X either, because... Like you partially alluded to... That entire 16GB isn't going to be reserved for games... And more yet isn't going to be reserved for graphics duties either... We also don't know how much DRAM will be reserved for OS/background duties, but if they are going to "suspend" more than one game at a time... There is the potential that DRAM requirements will increase over the 8th gen consoles.
And like I said... PC GPU's don't need to match the consoles to output superior results either. - I.E. A 4GB AMD Fury is going to have better graphics than the base Playstation 4 with 8GB of GDDR5... Heck a 3GB GDDR5 Radeon 7970 will output better visuals than the Playstation 4 with 8GB GDDR5 more often than not.
Shit a 2GB Radeon 7870 will crap all over the 8GB Xbox One every day of the week.
Ram Capacity is only part of the story, bandwidth, latency and so forth all play a role... So does how it's actually used by developers.
The Mid-Range PC's I am mentioning are those with... Like you said, 16GB of DDR3 or DDR4 memory and 8GB of GDDR5X/GDDR6.
Mid-Range GPU's like the Radeon 5500XT and 5600 come with 8GB of GDDR6, I would even argue they are on the lower-end of the mid-range performance spectrum rather than actually mid-range or high-end, they also lack super important next-gen features like Ray Tracing.
Such a rig would have 24GB of memory in total, that is DDR4 and GDDR6. - Nor am I suggesting that the performance would be equivalent to 16GB of pure GDDR6, just that on a totals-basis, mid-range PC's being equipped and sold today have that amount of DRAM in total.
Also we need to keep in mind to what happens to a PC GPU when it actually does exceed it's GDDR6 DRAM buffer.
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I think it's not so much what you can buy nowadays for pc. It's more about what the average pc gamer has in their rig right now. Of course there are pc enthusiast who are constantly upgrading and their pc will blow next gen consoles out the water. But the bulk just buys a pc for $1000, and as long as it still works, they won't upgrade unless they have to.
Even though we don't know all the details, it's pretty save to say that the average pc gamer right now, doesn't have hardware that comes close to specs of the Series X. Now, I also have no issue with MS launching a $700, hell I would love that. But if it won't sell to the masses because it's too expensive, there also won't be that much support for it. Just look at PSVR. I think it's awesome but for a lot of people it was probably too expensive and the install base is just too small to support AAA games for it. It's a shame really that it doesn't have more games like RE7, as for me that was the most memorable and terrifying gaming experience ever!
My whole gripe with GP is that it isn't trying to target the pc enthusiast or Series X specs. MS wants as many gamers as possible to be able to play their exclusives and that would defeat the whole point. Especially if the Series X is priced as a super premium product, instead of a mass market console. That's why I think their games will run fine on X1 and the lower spectrum of pc's. Obviously, they will scale and will look and run better on high-end pc and Series X. But I just don't see the developers going all out and make games that push the Series X to its limits at 1440p/30fps and then port them individually, so they run on 4 different Xboxes and low-end pc too.
