| EricHiggin said: This is why socialism doesn't work well, even in smaller doses. Most people who are intelligent, hard working, good decision makers, etc, won't put up with this. It's one thing to help the needy on a personal level, and another for Gov to heavily promote making bad decisions. The more socialist idea's that get implemented, the more the people propping everyone else up will stop caring, and soon enough you run out of money because literally everyone expects free Gov handouts. Why bother trying to make something of yourself now, when all you need to do is bide your time until you can have your mistakes and poor decisions erased by some politician? The unfortunate truth is that people need to learn, and sometimes the hard way, which is baked into capitalism. |
| RJTM1991 said: It's always the same type of people who peddle Socialism, isn't it? Middle-class, coddled, privileged, out of touch... They'll preach about Socialism from their iPhones and iPads, completely oblivious to the fact that they all benefit from Capitalism every single day. The overwhelming number of people who've fled from broken countries always try to shine a light on the horrors of Socialism. There's a near-endless amount of videos and news articles online, but no-one listens to them. A damn shame. |
Well, the guy in the video is not arguing for or against socialism, I am not sure why the conversation took that turn. Overall, education should be free and run by the government so that it sucks harder and harder.
I believe people should stop going to universities because universities are on their way out anyway. It's 2020 and education has not been revolutionized yet, sitting in a class with a bunch of people listening to someone who is most likely not the best at teaching what he teaches is such a damn waste of time when you can just watch someone else that teaches the same thing but in a way that's tailored to your taste online.
Those universities are pretending to be the gate keepers for knowledge when they are not, setting the rules for success when they shouldn't be. Instead, you can, for example, develop standardized tests for all scientific fields and as long as the students pass these tests give them the certificate, you can also ask students for projects that can be reviewed by a panel. I am sure there are better 10000 ways by which you can prove your qualifications and worth that smarter people can think of, the way universities operate is retarded at this point.
One thing that can commend the tech industry for is that they have stopped caring about which university you have went to, as long as you can show them you are fit for the job, you get it, I know for a fact that google and facebook hires on experience alone, university degrees are not in their requirements.
Ever going companies in Silicon Valley achieve so much because of their open mindedness. I can't wait for them to conquer healthcare and education and every heavily regulated field, and eliminate people's misplaced dependency on university degrees.
Finally, I just like to point out the reason university fees have sky rocket because of the government. It was always a terrible idea to loan immature people huge sums of money and let them spend it on useless degrees, you could've at least ensured that they received the right guidance regarding the labor market, but nope, something American Universities couldn't be happier about. They've become obscenely wealthy because someone is always footing the bill, either the government or the students. It's safe to assume that these universities are also "meddling" in setting policies that serve them just like any other giant corporation.
| the-pi-guy said: You're right Eric. Socialism won't work in America because we are greedy, selfish unemphatic people only looking out for ourselves. The point of paying off the debt is about helping people who weren't able to pay for schooling. You have to be doing halfway decently to pay your way through school, or able to pay off your debt afterwards. Who needs the money more: a millionaire who paid their way through college because they can afford it. Or a family under the poverty line who went in debt to try better themselves. >The unfortunate truth is that people need to learn, and sometimes the hard way, which is baked into capitalism. Because people should suffer the rest of their life for trying to improve their lives. |
Sure, I get debt forgiveness, I am all for it. But the guy in the video has every right to complain, he worked twice or three times as hard just to pay off his daughter's debt. We should discuss what to do for people like him. Where is the harm?
| tsogud said: Lmao nope. I wouldn't describe that man as any of those descriptions you listed. All I see is a supposedly "grown" ass man being selfish and throwing a temper tantrum because society is improving. I guess we shouldn't find a cure for cancer because it wouldn't be fair to those who had died from it before. A mature, intelligent, compassionate and empathetic person would want others to have it easier than they did especially when they know how tough it could be and how much worse other people have it. Capitalism as we used to know it is on it's way out and it's for the better. |
I disagree, we don't know his circumstances. To dismiss him as an immature person when he played by the rules and did his best to not to break the law is not fair. Especially that he lives in a country in which you never have extra money, you're one medical condition away from poverty. Spending his savings to pay off debts is commendable.
Liz dismissed him as well when she could've acknowledged the pain debt has caused him by simply saying: "I can see that you're a hard working person, who suffered due to students loans, and sacrificed so much just to pay them off, we should definitely have a conversation about people in similar shoes as yours and see how we can help them".
It's Liz who was immature in the way she responded, dismissive and unsympathetic with no real answer to his question.
| Baalzamon said: I keep seeing Europe and mention of their free schooling as justification for the current suggestion of just forgiving all these student loans. You are comparing a process that is already in place, and everybody has the process to now take advantage of...to a process that only impacts the people who made worse decisions. I know we have already had this discussion, but what exactly happens to the people who made shitty decisions, and just get all of that debt forgiven? What sort of life lesson does that teach them? |
Or we simply reward those who paid their debts or ensure what they did doesn't go unrewarded.
Why are people for debt forgiveness but not for reparations for people who suffered under the same exact money sucking scheme? We are already talking about "trillions" amount of money, it's already "too expensive". Might as well compensate everyone.
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