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Snoopy on 24 August 2019
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SpokenTruth said:

EricHiggin said:

I got the point, but I don't think you got where I took it. Yes, you could just ban all guns based on your original statement, that's one way to look at it. The problem is why weapons were made in the first place, and who made them. To remove guns you're just asking for other weapons to be used, or for new even more efficient weapons to be made in there place, unless you create a perfectly equal society this time around, which you won't be able to do. I'm simply looking at the bigger picture, not just the statement in a bubble.

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Well what was the point in saying "If guns don't kill people, people do.....then guns don't protect people, people do."? Especially since you directed it at the NRA since they are using that as a scapegoat to allow guns in your eyes. It would only make sense if you thought having guns was a bad thing. Considering it's people protecting people, why would you need guns?

If it has nothing to do with people having guns or banning guns, then it really doesn't make any sense. You're not nullifying anything if you're not proving they're wrong, and the only way to do that is to prove things would be better without guns, since their point is that bad people who use guns kill people, not good people with guns. The slogan is just a shorter, more to the point version of that.

So, no you, just as KLAMarine, did not get the point.  Nor understand the nullification of the statement itself, it seems.  So I'll repeat what I said to KLAMarine for you.

Your whole logic train runs like this.

Strong dominates weak > weak obtains gun to dominate strong > strong is now the weak > new weak/former strong obtains gun to dominate against new strong/former weak = we all have guns.

We are the only developed nation on Earth with this irrational band-aid mentality.

And if you really want to go back to the actual point of it all....if people are the actual problem, why the hell aren't we trying to fix the people? If people are the problem, why the hell do we want to give the problem lethal weapons?

Snoopy said:

According to that graph, the economy was better when Republicans controlled both the house and the presidency. Thank you for proving my point I guess. Don't know why you would do that for.

Oh, so a bit of both: cognitive bias and cognitive dissonance. I really didn't suspect both but here we are.

I guess you could be unaware of when the Trump tax cuts took effect or when his Republican led congress trimmed regulations....but I'm trying to give you some expectations of knowledge on the subject. But if not, see that "2018" on the the far right of the X axis?  That's when the tax cuts took effect.  Some of the deregulation took place just prior to that "2018" marker.  Now, do you see a trend in the data plot points that started back in 2010?  You do?  Good. 

You know what?  I'm just going to make you a new chart....for clarification. 

Blue box = Obama term.
Red box = Trump term.
Yellow line = Trump deregulation.
Orange line = Trump tax cuts.
Black line = Unemployment rate trend.


I hope it's clearer for you now.

Cool, now include the part when Republicans and Democrats took over congress to see the difference. Since congress does hold more power than the President in almost every way. 2008 Democrats had both the Senate and the house of representatives. Not to mention employers cut full-time jobs to part-time jobs due to Obama's new health care changes to create artificial growth.

Last edited by Snoopy - on 24 August 2019