| HylianSwordsman said: Holy shit, on that subject of Israel/Palestine, this is quite interesting: https://israelpalestinenews.org/democratic-candidates-on-israel-palestine-a-guide-updated-regularly/ Did you know Biden identifies as Zionist? Or that Booker voted to outlaw boycotts of Israel or its government? Regarding Kamala, it shows she is indeed very pro-Israel, though not necessarily anti-Palestine, but she doesn't seem to acknowledge the realities of what the Palestinians are going through and Israel's contribution to that. You can do much, much worse than Harris though, unless this site is missing something from her. Not sure how much worse you could get than electing a Zionist that wants to work with Republicans, so even Proxie-Pie should be able to admit that Biden is the worst of the options. Though the Times of Israel apparently considers Klobuchar as the candidate most aligned with AIPAC, so there's that. Warren seems to recognize some of the issues, but is very wishy-washy overall. I'll let you read her section and decide for yourself, but there are some disappointing things in there for me. Yang seems to be completely ignorant on the subject, which was sad to see. Meanwhile Buttigieg, Castro, Gabbard, Gravel, Wayne Messam, Seth Moulton, O'Rourke, Swalwell, Williamson, and of course Bernie all show some degree of nuance in their understanding of the situation, and an understanding of the seriousness of what the Israeli government has done to Palestinians with our financial support. Personally, of the quotes they list here, I'm most impressed by Sanders and Gravel. Sanders because he shows he's very principled about condemning violence no matter where it came from (even though he himself is Jewish) and wanting to support peaceful protest and stop the settlements, Gravel because he has what looks to me to be the deepest understanding of the whole situation and is the only one with a clear plan on what to do about it. Some of the others mention a two-state or one-state solution, Gravel supports one-state and defines what that means for him. Now mind you that site seems biased against Israel, but it's the Palestinian viewpoint that is currently underrepresented in the media and it's that underrepresentation of that side that has led to such an unsolvable foreign policy mess in the region, so I think it's useful to take a look at what they find noteworthy about the candidates' positions. |
I admit I didn't read up much on Biden, all I know is that he was Obama's VP and Obama is extremely unpopular here, because he at least tried to look fair, lol.
Netanyahu referred to the Obama administration as "hostile", but you're free to look up how much support he's given the country during his presidency.
I'll clarify something that sometimes gets lost in the nuance: Being a Zionist doesn't conflict with supporting peace, it just means supporting Israel's right to exist. I support a 2-state solution, so in some sense I am a Zionist as well.
| jason1637 said: I never understood America's loyalty to Israel. I don't get why both parties are so lenient towards them. |
American support for Israel began during the Cold War era as Mnementh explained.
To me it's surprising that America doesn't support Palestinian statehood as much as they can. The PA wants to establish a secular country as opposed to the many Islamists in the region, and something I can personally vouch for is how much Palestinian Muslims and Palestinian Christians get along, and are equally patriotic.
Just seems like something the US would support considering all their statements about separation of Church and State and religious freedom.
I hope I'm not derailing the thread.
