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sales2099 said:
twintail said:

PS5 wasn't going to be at PAX so any news you think fans want wasn't going to happen.

And GDC isn't for consumers. Any official news would take place at a showing elsewhere.

Thinking that Sony is losing the hype train for next gen by dropping out of an event for current gen news, and for developers, requires some incredible mental gymnastics on your part.

You do realise that next gen consoles showing up at TGS is non-news? 

It doesn't mean that is when PS5 news is coming. It's ridiculous that you even consider such a late reveal as an actual possibility.

I still see it as a snub to fans. Just like everything else they aren’t going to this year. GDC tends to have some news that lights up the forums regarding next gen, especially on a launch year. Ignoring that requires some mental gymnastics as well. Once again I admire the sheer loyalty it takes to support Sony on what I genuinely believe to be a string of snubs. 

This is quite a petty reply. Resorting to calling out others as being fanboys 'loyal' is just a poor excuse to undermine what they have to say. If anything, it only shows how hollow your own words actually ring that you can't use anything with actual substance. 

I'm actually working in the SEA region atm, and understanding why companies like Sony and Facebook are cancelling appearances comes from a perspective of the real threat the virus has on this region.

That said, there is a myriad of other ways that PS owners can expect to receive news. Youtube, Instagram and especially the PS Blog have all been viable ways to disseminate info. No one needs a showing at PAX for PS4 coverage. No one needs GDC to hear insider speak/ rumours to float around about what is up with the PS5. 

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sales2099 said:
twintail said:

PS5 wasn't going to be at PAX so any news you think fans want wasn't going to happen.

And GDC isn't for consumers. Any official news would take place at a showing elsewhere.

Thinking that Sony is losing the hype train for next gen by dropping out of an event for current gen news, and for developers, requires some incredible mental gymnastics on your part.

You do realise that next gen consoles showing up at TGS is non-news? 

It doesn't mean that is when PS5 news is coming. It's ridiculous that you even consider such a late reveal as an actual possibility.

I still see it as a snub to fans. Just like everything else they aren’t going to this year. GDC tends to have some news that lights up the forums regarding next gen, especially on a launch year. .Ignoring that requires some mental gymnastics as well. Once again I admire the sheer loyalty it takes to support Sony on what I genuinely believe to be a string of snubs 

A sense of logic and a positive attitude is enough to support Sony,i'm not waging a personal war against brands i do not like but i just like good practices across all brands.



drkohler said:
VideoGameAccountant said:

I think they are thinking they can't get the PS5 out in time at their target price so they are quietly avoiding events while blaming the virus.

Can we please stop this nonsense? It's beginning to feel like being in a meeting of the flat earth society...

A company has to look for the health of thir emplyees first and foremost in such a situation. If I were managing a large corporation like Sony, I'd also stop any flying around of "my" people, and meeting at conventions where you have no clue as to where the people would come from and what people they would have interacted with before. 

Be more polite with VideoGameAccountant, he's a great analyst who predict that PS4 will never be above Wii... oh wait.

sales2099, you told me that you lost your hate . Don't let the inner fanboy takes control !

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That being said, I'm not against a PS5 in 2021 : PS4 got so much games and exclusives this year that it would be a good idea to actually let the PS4 still shine this year. Do not put any PS5's shadow on it this year. PS4 doing 131,5 million lifetime sales minimum confirmed.  

I get that some Xbox fans can't wait for the next generation since Xbox One is pretty much dead, but the next Xbox won't have exclusives game so why to hurry at the end ?

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twintail said:
sales2099 said:

I still see it as a snub to fans. Just like everything else they aren’t going to this year. GDC tends to have some news that lights up the forums regarding next gen, especially on a launch year. Ignoring that requires some mental gymnastics as well. Once again I admire the sheer loyalty it takes to support Sony on what I genuinely believe to be a string of snubs. 

This is quite a petty reply. Resorting to calling out others as being fanboys 'loyal' is just a poor excuse to undermine what they have to say. If anything, it only shows how hollow your own words actually ring that you can't use anything with actual substance. 

I'm actually working in the SEA region atm, and understanding why companies like Sony and Facebook are cancelling appearances comes from a perspective of the real threat the virus has on this region.

That said, there is a myriad of other ways that PS owners can expect to receive news. Youtube, Instagram and especially the PS Blog have all been viable ways to disseminate info. No one needs a showing at PAX for PS4 coverage. No one needs GDC to hear insider speak/ rumours to float around about what is up with the PS5. 

I’m not the only one here saying Sony is milking the virus situation a little much. MS is attending GDC, they confirmed Turn 10 will be discussing next gen ray tracing. So that tells me something.

I’m just seeing MS being very active lately, with VGA, GDC, E3....and I seeing Sony making a lot of excuses to not be at these events. You know where I stand but cmon...you honestly telling me you ok with Sony being shy all of a sudden? 



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sales2099 said:
I’m not the only one here saying Sony is milking the virus situation a little much. MS is attending GDC, they confirmed Turn 10 will be discussing next gen ray tracing. So that tells me something.I’m just seeing MS being very active lately, with VGA, GDC, E3....and I seeing Sony making a lot of excuses to not be at these events. You know where I stand but cmon...you honestly telling me you ok with Sony being shy all of a sudden? 

Milking? How are they milking the situation? Milking implies that they are gaining from not going to those events? If you see them gaining something, let me know cause I don't see it.

My understanding is that going to events helps towards building your brand, ergo everybody goes to events left and right. So again, explain how Sony is milking this virus, how are they like: Yeah, thank you virus cause without you we would have been forced to attend all those events and that would have been negative for us because...?



CrazyGamer2017 said:
sales2099 said:
I’m not the only one here saying Sony is milking the virus situation a little much. MS is attending GDC, they confirmed Turn 10 will be discussing next gen ray tracing. So that tells me something.I’m just seeing MS being very active lately, with VGA, GDC, E3....and I seeing Sony making a lot of excuses to not be at these events. You know where I stand but cmon...you honestly telling me you ok with Sony being shy all of a sudden? 

Milking? How are they milking the situation? Milking implies that they are gaining from not going to those events? If you see them gaining something, let me know cause I don't see it.

My understanding is that going to events helps towards building your brand, ergo everybody goes to events left and right. So again, explain how Sony is milking this virus, how are they like: Yeah, thank you virus cause without you we would have been forced to attend all those events and that would have been negative for us because...?

Saving money is the first reason lol. Second is dodging gaming journalists who are hungry....and I mean hungry for anything PS5 related. I don’t think they want gaming sites with headlines that just say Sony is dodging questions. 

End of day MS is going to GDC. Turn 10 is discussing next gen ray tracing. Sony isn’t. MS been public about next gen since the VGA and Sony only showed a logo. I dunno, I guess I am allowed to speculate that Sony doesn’t want to be near Ms when they clearly aren’t ready to show anything and look weak next to the much more transparent MS. 



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Keiji said:
drkohler said:

Can we please stop this nonsense? It's beginning to feel like being in a meeting of the flat earth society...

A company has to look for the health of thir emplyees first and foremost in such a situation. If I were managing a large corporation like Sony, I'd also stop any flying around of "my" people, and meeting at conventions where you have no clue as to where the people would come from and what people they would have interacted with before. 

Be more polite with VideoGameAccountant, he's a great analyst who predict that PS4 will never be above Wii..

I get that some Xbox fans can't wait for the next generation since Xbox One is pretty much dead, but the next Xbox won't have exclusives game so why to hurry at the end ?

Just want to clarify that a Xbox gamers perception of an exclusive is different from the other side. So long as it isn’t on PlayStation it is exclusive. The Xbox brand isn’t regulated to one console. We want that fresh start for obvious reasons lol, and the Series X will have the best versions of both 1st party and 3rd party. 

And some, far from the majority, see PC as part of the family with the Windows OS monopoly. Though PC gamers deny this to maintain their individuality haha 



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drkohler said:
VideoGameAccountant said:

I think they are thinking they can't get the PS5 out in time at their target price so they are quietly avoiding events while blaming the virus.

Can we please stop this nonsense? It's beginning to feel like being in a meeting of the flat earth society...

A company has to look for the health of thir emplyees first and foremost in such a situation. If I were managing a large corporation like Sony, I'd also stop any flying around of "my" people, and meeting at conventions where you have no clue as to where the people would come from and what people they would have interacted with before. 

Consider the inverse. Let's say Sony had already announce the PS5, showed some games and say it's definitely coming Holiday 2020. Would they bow out of numerous events even with the virus? Probably not. Moreover, Sony (as far as I can tell) didn't stop going to events when Bird Flu and Ebola were an issue. But they have canceled numerous events due to "lack of announcements." So now Sony is canceling more events. Are we really going to say the only reason they are bowing out is because of the virus, especially when it's right now worse in Japan than the US?

When we have reports saying Sony is struggling with the price and supply chain break down across numerous industries, it's hard to say everything is hunky dory at Sony and this is just that they didn't want people to get sick. 



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VideoGameAccountant said:

When we have reports saying Sony is struggling with the price and supply chain break down across numerous industries,

Any such reports stems from a complete and utter moron who understands nothing about mass manufacturing.

I don't know how many times I have to repeat myself. Mass manufacturing works on two principles, and two principles only:

1. The more you order, the cheaper it gets

2. The earlier you order, the cheaper it gets.

If anyone thinks that Sony is ordering parts NOW and has price problems NOW really has a serious problem in understanding how things work in the industry. Neither Sony nor Microsoft give a shit about prices they'd currently would have to pay. All the stuff they need has been ordered months, if not years BEFORE NOW. Reason? See 2. Those deals have been sealed.



drkohler said:
VideoGameAccountant said:

When we have reports saying Sony is struggling with the price and supply chain break down across numerous industries,

Any such reports stems from a complete and utter moron who understands nothing about mass manufacturing.

I don't know how many times I have to repeat myself. Mass manufacturing works on two principles, and two principles only:

1. The more you order, the cheaper it gets

2. The earlier you order, the cheaper it gets.

If anyone thinks that Sony is ordering parts NOW and has price problems NOW really has a serious problem in understanding how things work in the industry. Neither Sony nor Microsoft give a shit about prices they'd currently would have to pay. All the stuff they need has been ordered months, if not years BEFORE NOW. Reason? See 2. Those deals have been sealed.

Maybe Sony is scrambling to change specs due to MS being transparent about the Series X specs. I mean, we knew since last E3 that Series X would target 12 teraflops 



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