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I prefer...

Ocarina of Time 105 58.33%
 
Final Fantasy 7 75 41.67%
 
Total:180

deskpro2k3 said:
Shiken said:

And people say Nintendo fans move goal posts...

You're not the first one to make a false premise here cause these stuff happens when something gets taken out of context. I mean, you can see what I was talking about in the FF7 box art, and to be more precise there was no numbers next to the reviews...

True, but those full reviews were written with numbers.  Numbers that contributed to the 92. Those were just specific excerpts from those reviews that were printed on the back of the box.

So what it looks like is that you are simply focusing on what supports your opinion, and ignoring the rest of the picture.



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Shiken said:

deskpro2k3 said:

You're not the first one to make a false premise here cause these stuff happens when something gets taken out of context. I mean, you can see what I was talking about in the FF7 box art, and to be more precise there was no numbers next to the reviews...

True, but those full reviews were written with numbers.  Numbers that contributed to the 92. Those were just specific excerpts from those reviews that were printed on the back of the box.

So what it looks like is that you are simply focusing on what supports your opinion, and ignoring the rest of the picture.

The first part is true, but the last statement is another false premise. This seems to be trend here, no one can post anything that shines something positive about FF7 without getting some kind backlash. Not even a box art. You want to fall back to the numbers, fine go ahead, I'm not dismissing the number behind the reviews... I said this already.. 

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pikashoe said:
Hynad said:

I was not, but thank you for your empty and needless input.

Is it necessary to insult everyone that disagrees with you. I wasn't coming at you with malicious intent or anything. There's nothing wrong with saying are wrong in a situation. It takes the bigger man to admit when he is wrong. 

Wrong about what? FF VII’s loading being quick and not being a issue? How about what I say being misrepresented and twisted?

At this point, simply mind your own business if you have nothing to add.



deskpro2k3 said:
Shiken said:

True, but those full reviews were written with numbers.  Numbers that contributed to the 92. Those were just specific excerpts from those reviews that were printed on the back of the box.

So what it looks like is that you are simply focusing on what supports your opinion, and ignoring the rest of the picture.

The first part is true, but the last statement is another false premise. This seems to be trend here, no one can post anything that shines something positive about FF7 without getting some kind backlash. Not even a box art. You want to fall back to the numbers, fine go ahead, I'm not dismissing the number behind the reviews... I said this already.. 

In all honesty, there is no right or wrong answer.  They are both fantastic and two totally different types of game.  It all boils down to preference.

I actually had to think long and hard about which to vote for, I am not trying to discredit VII.  The story was amazing and it totally sucked me into the world.  I can truly see how a lot of people would prefer it over Ocarina.

Ocarina had the bigger impact on my childhood.  I personally feel it is a mid tier Zelda game, but it did revolutionize 3D gaming.  Those two factors is what tipped the scale for me.

FFVII did not really revolutionize anything that we have not seen in other FF games on the SNES.  This is an undeniable FACT.  It is however, still a fantastic game.

Thats how I see it at least.  It had nothing to do with people being able to praise FFVII.  It deserves praise.  I just found it funny when you pointed out excerpts from reviews and said they were more important with the score.  So I decided to make a jest.  Thats all.

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A critic's opinion is still just an opinion.

Quarter to Three had this to say about the Last of Us: "If you accept that the pedestrian stealth/shooter gameplay in The Last of Us is the least important part of the experience, despite the long hours struggling and restruggling with it, you might conclude that this is a remarkable game. But if you come to dread every encounter for dragging out the time it takes to get to the good parts, if you divvy up the time spent on the good parts and the time spent on the parts where you could have been playing a better game, what happens when you get a roughly one to ten ratio? Is a remarkable story buried under hours of non-remarkable game actually a good game?"

Should we consider this a "cold hard fact"? Of course not, it's just one guy's opinion; a legitimate opinion, but still a subjective take, not a fact.



curl-6 said:

A critic's opinion is still just an opinion.

Quarter to Three had this to say about the Last of Us: "If you accept that the pedestrian stealth/shooter gameplay in The Last of Us is the least important part of the experience, despite the long hours struggling and restruggling with it, you might conclude that this is a remarkable game. But if you come to dread every encounter for dragging out the time it takes to get to the good parts, if you divvy up the time spent on the good parts and the time spent on the parts where you could have been playing a better game, what happens when you get a roughly one to ten ratio? Is a remarkable story buried under hours of non-remarkable game actually a good game?"

Should we consider this a "cold hard fact"? Of course not, it's just one guy's opinion; a legitimate opinion, but still a subjective take, not a fact.

I'm assuming you're talking about the FF7 box art I posted. We all know it's an opinion, it's a hard fact that those praises is on display on the box art, which is the point I was making. You don't have to agree with their opinion but you can at least respect it, yes?

If y'all really want to see me move the goal post. Here is one.These two games is not even of the same genra. However they're considered the best in their category.



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deskpro2k3 said:
curl-6 said:

A critic's opinion is still just an opinion.

Quarter to Three had this to say about the Last of Us: "If you accept that the pedestrian stealth/shooter gameplay in The Last of Us is the least important part of the experience, despite the long hours struggling and restruggling with it, you might conclude that this is a remarkable game. But if you come to dread every encounter for dragging out the time it takes to get to the good parts, if you divvy up the time spent on the good parts and the time spent on the parts where you could have been playing a better game, what happens when you get a roughly one to ten ratio? Is a remarkable story buried under hours of non-remarkable game actually a good game?"

Should we consider this a "cold hard fact"? Of course not, it's just one guy's opinion; a legitimate opinion, but still a subjective take, not a fact.

I'm assuming you're talking about the FF7 box art I posted. We all know it's an opinion, it's a hard fact that those praises is on display on the box art, which is the point I was making. You don't have to agree with their opinion but you can at least respect it, yes?

Whoever said it is absolutely entitled to their opinion, but I personally don't lend a critic's opinion any special weight, they're just another human being like the rest of us. If the point you were making is that FF7 was critically acclaimed, I don't think anyone ever disputed that.



FF VII no contest, OOT was a good game, and it was ground breaking in many ways... but I always get bored before the end.

FF VII on the other hand, I completed it many many times over the years, not only that but I leveled all characters to 99 two times (this is A LOT of work). I don't even know how many times I bought it.



Moren said:
So, did the community come to an unanimous conclusion?

Yes, we have all conceded that FFVII is an RPG and that Ocarina of Time is an action-adventure game. Cold facts. 



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Vodacixi said:
I think both have aged terribly... but I guess Ocarina of Time was the better, more innovative experience when it came out.

That being said, both have been totally outclassed by almost all of their respective "sequels".

I can agree with this. Final Fantasy 7 hasn't aged as bad. Graphically it's technically horrendous, but that's mostly just cosmetics, the art overall is still enough to make the world appealing.

I also found FF7's pacing to be a bit off, even compared to RPGs of its time. The towns are mostly bland once past the first few. But overall, it's still a very strong game.

Ocarina of Time I had a lot of fun with when playing it on 3DS, it seemed to stand up well, perhaps even better when compared to other 3D Zelda games which, while they had technical improvements over Ocarina of Time, lacked the fun factor and satisfaction. However, since playing Breath of the Wild, I find it painful to play through Ocarina of Time, in my latest playthrough, I got to the Fire Temple, fell from fairly high, put it down and didn't touch it again. The "find the key in the haystack in order to continue your game" puzzles were too numerous and on the critical path, and it was only after playing Breath of the Wild that I realize how much I hate that sort of thing.

So I played both games recently, Ocarina of Time in 2017 and FF7 in 2019. FF7, IMO has aged better, but it's suffered compared to other FF ports. FF8 aged a lot better, and FFX aged even better (but I still prefer 8, though I was shocked at how much I enjoyed X this time around, because historically, I'd have said it's my 5th or 6th favourite FF, now it may be my 2nd or 3rd). If you loved FF8 in 99, you'll love it in 2020, if you hated it, you'll probably still hate it (or maybe not, some of the elements of FF8 that were obtuse in 1999 are fairly common practice in RPGs now, like crafting and draw points, so the game may not be as bizarre and therefore detestable to the more casual RPG fan).

Anyway:

At the time of release, and the decade following: Ocarina of Time was unquestionably better due to its groundbreaking and cutting edge approach.

Today: Final Fantasy 7, while it aged poorly in some respects, has many timeless elements. Ocarina of Time feels eclipsed and outdated after Breath of the Wild.  Today I still find a lot of value in playing FF7, but little value in Ocarina of Time. Final Fantasy 7 takes the win in 2020.

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