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Is Biden's campaign no longer viable?

Yes, his campaign is dead! 30 46.88%
 
His campaign is badly hur... 13 20.31%
 
He will take a small hit,... 5 7.81%
 
No, this result will not hurt his campaign. 7 10.94%
 
Donald Trump will win the democratic primary! 9 14.06%
 
Total:64

It's too soon to declare that. He could bounce back. But that he is the most "electable" definitely looks like a questionable claim now.
Especially if recent polling in New Hampshire holds.



Yep his campaign is dead. He under-performed so badly in Iowa polls showing him doing well are suspect at this point.



Bofferbrauer2 said:
Mnementh said:

I think electoral college might fall in time, whoever wins the White House and congress:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact

For those who don't want to read all this and prefer a good, informative video on NaPoVoInterCo (as CPD Grey puts it):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUX-frlNBJY

Not a fan of that, It should be majority of seats won wins and not nationwide.

In Aus we have preferential voting (which limits a similar concept like that video but for that seat only)

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/explainer-what-is-preferential-voting


Essentially The most popular votes may not win because the person who come second gets preferential votes from the 3rd candidate, which puts them over the line.  Who get's what preferential votes is up to the citizens, however the parties at poling time give out how to vote cards which if people follow will cast those preferential votes to WHO the party wants and not who you want. A lot of people sadly don't understand how it works and follow the provided advice on how to vote lol.  



 

 

Bofferbrauer2 said:
DarthJarvis said:
Klobuchar and Yang (and everyone below them) need to drop out.

My guess is hes top 2 or 3 without those.

We may have a case that no candidate gets majority of delegates.

It's more like Buttigieg, Klobuchar, Biden and Bloomberg are stealing each other's voters. As long as they are all running, neither will be able to beat Bernie.

You could say the same for Yang, Gabbard, Warren, and Bernie. I feel like the way the caucus was run, the outliers are what ended up leading to Bernie and Buttegeig winning. 

I feel like we are heading towards an inevitable stalemate in terms of being able to get the points needed to secure the nomination because no one is willing to throw in the towel. Also, with how the voting process is handled in most states, those who weren't viable in the Iowa caucus will be taking votes needed to push either Bernie, Buttegeig, Warren, or Biden ahead in delegates. 



Between telling people to vote for other candidates if they question him and his more recent debate performance, I don't think his heart is into it anymore, to be honest. Perhaps it never was.



 

 

 

 

 

Hiku said:

It's too soon to declare that. He could bounce back. But that he is the most "electable" definitely looks like a questionable claim now.
Especially if recent polling in New Hampshire holds.

NH is a Bernie strong hold so that's not surprising. After that then the next 2 weeks you have SC and NV where Bernie doesnt do so well and can easily be close to 3rd in delegates after



Bofferbrauer2 said:
DarthJarvis said:
Klobuchar and Yang (and everyone below them) need to drop out.

My guess is hes top 2 or 3 without those.

We may have a case that no candidate gets majority of delegates.

It's more like Buttigieg, Klobuchar, Biden and Bloomberg are stealing each other's voters. As long as they are all running, neither will be able to beat Bernie.

I agree. The 2020 Democratic debates and primaries are turning into a circus like 2016 GOP. They should have learned from them that too many candidates will cannibalize from each other and it leaves the door open for the extreme candidate. I guarantee more people want Buttigieg, Biden or Klobuchar than a Bernie or Warren. And it might cost them the 2020 general election. 



DarthJarvis said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

It's more like Buttigieg, Klobuchar, Biden and Bloomberg are stealing each other's voters. As long as they are all running, neither will be able to beat Bernie.

I agree. The 2020 Democratic debates and primaries are turning into a circus like 2016 GOP. They should have learned from them that too many candidates will cannibalize from each other and it leaves the door open for the extreme candidate. I guarantee more people want Buttigieg, Biden or Klobuchar than a Bernie or Warren. And it might cost them the 2020 general election. 

Well, keep in mind Bernie has to share with Warren, Yang, Tulsi and, to a lesser degree, Steyer, so he'snot getting all the progessive votes for himself either. I'd say it's pretty balanced right now between the moderate and progressive camp, the main difference is that the moderates are all around 10-15% while Bernie is clearly leading in the progressive camp.



DarthJarvis said:
Hiku said:

It's too soon to declare that. He could bounce back. But that he is the most "electable" definitely looks like a questionable claim now.
Especially if recent polling in New Hampshire holds.

NH is a Bernie strong hold so that's not surprising. After that then the next 2 weeks you have SC and NV where Bernie doesnt do so well and can easily be close to 3rd in delegates after

I would say that 3rd place is unlikely for Bernie afterward. 2nd is definitely possible though. NH is an obvious win for him. Currently Nevada is neck and neck with Biden and Bernie. South Carolina is definitely going to Biden but there is a weird situation where Republicans are supposedly trying to boost Bernie's numbers in the polls (since we have open primaries and the Republicans opted out of having a primary this year...They are doing this because they don't see Bernie as a threat going up against Trump.) 



Bofferbrauer2 said:
DarthJarvis said:

I agree. The 2020 Democratic debates and primaries are turning into a circus like 2016 GOP. They should have learned from them that too many candidates will cannibalize from each other and it leaves the door open for the extreme candidate. I guarantee more people want Buttigieg, Biden or Klobuchar than a Bernie or Warren. And it might cost them the 2020 general election. 

Well, keep in mind Bernie has to share with Warren, Yang, Tulsi and, to a lesser degree, Steyer, so he'snot getting all the progessive votes for himself either. I'd say it's pretty balanced right now between the moderate and progressive camp, the main difference is that the moderates are all around 10-15% while Bernie is clearly leading in the progressive camp.

I named Warren, and other than her they stole a total of 0 delegates between all of them. Those you listed just have no foothold or buzz.