1. With how game development works they would have to make 2 versions at worst (1 for X1 and X1X and 1 for Lockhart and XSX), 1 in the best case (for everything).
2. What does that mean to you? It can mean 1 of 2 things (or a combination of them). It either means that we're at a point that targeting higher spec hardware doesn't make a huge difference outside of graphical bells and whistle options being provided on PC or that there isn't a business case to do so, in that the return from targeting a higher spec PC version that can't be done on X1/PS4 consoles isn't viable financially. Leaning too far in one direction in what you read into this says more about your stance than what a company is actually thinking. The truth will always be somewhere in the middle. And when it comes to next gen consoles, there is a business case for companies like MS (who run the entire platform) to target a higher spec. They want to impress, they want to drum up excitement, they want to get people to play in their playground; that's the motive behind all the choice they're providing. And given that there's a business case, it's on them to do it or not. And nothing they've said precludes them from going forward with that business case to make the next-gen versions of their cross-gen games different enough from the current gen versions. We frankly don't have enough info to keep bashing our heads claiming one side or the other. We have to wait and see. Stating why you have your hopes/don't have your hopes up for it to happen only needs to happen 1 time, otherwise it comes off with negative motives that potentially break forum rules like it's coming off in this thread. So I, again, recommend we leave this conversation where it lays.
3. In order to definitively say that we need to list each and every cross-gen game on those platforms and come to a definitive conclusion for each one whether it was or wasn't a huge leap. Neither of us have done that so this is a factoid at best. I personally thought a number of cross-gen games did an awesome job of standing out from a technical point of view given that they were launch titles with not much of a business case for the company to push a next gen version. Many of them did a good job with texture quality, object density, draw distance, and improved geometry. It's just that pesky law of diminishing returns that makes these things harder to spot but if you want to go see, go check out Cycu1's Youtube channel on the games listed below. Sadly DF didn't do much cross-gen comparison work on these titles. Those are all things you have to consider. MS has a reason to push the next gen version while a lot of these companies didn't. In the case of DICE, their games partially sell on their wow factor (not to mention there was probably some internal motive at EA to really wow so their engine would get widespread adoption through the studios early in the gen). I could go through and write a few paragraphs regarding the business case for EACH game below but this conversation is pretty much done so I'll let you do your own research.
- Watch Dogs
- Battlefield 4
- Call of Duty: Ghosts
- AC4: Black Flag
- Dragon Age: Inquisition
- Dying Light
- The Evil Within
- Wolfenstein: The New Order
- MGS5: Phantom Pain
- LOTR: Shadow of Mordor
You have to admit that a lot of the things MS are doing don't sound viable if they plan on selling as many Series X boxes as possible. Traditionally platform holders use their 1st party exclusives to push console sales and that kinda works. Console generations aren't a new concept and no ps4 owner will be upset or disappointed if the exclusives on ps4 start drying out. The masses desperately want to upgrade to a new console with the promise of new games that are a radical departure of what's possible on their old console, as long as it's not more than $499.
With MS they aren't doing that. Instead they are making all their exclusives cross-gen so there's no real need to upgrade. The console itself looks like a mini pc that no single person on earth will be able to stick under the tv. And, probably the weirdest thing, they aren't just releasing their flagship exclusives on pc, they are practically giving them away for free through their $1 GP promotion. All in all it sounds like a terrible plan to launch a mass market console, but I guess we'll have to wait till MS reveals a price before it all starts to make sense.
It makes perfect sense to me and many others. This might surprise you but many console gamers dont game on PC or even want to. Many PC gamers do not want to buy a console even with exclusives. The is many PC users such as myself who sold their PS4 not long after buying it and i never got an Xbox One even before MS said they would release all games day and date on PC.
Simple matter is the was no exclusives on the consoles that made me feel like i needed or i was missing out. So id of never got an Xbox One anyways same as i wont buy another PS4 (And wont really need to with PSNow adding more and more PS4 games).
However what MS has done by bringing their games to PC is getting 1 extra copy sold to me who would of never got that game anyways if it never came to PC, and the is many more PC Gamers like me who would of never got an Xbox One or PS4 anyways but who would buy the game if its on the platform i game on and if not its not a loss.
The is many (Like 40 million?) current Xbox One owners who didnt upgrade to Xbox OneX for the simple reason it wasnt the Next Gen Xbox, it was never going to have exclusives of its own ever. Thats not the case with the Xbox Series X, people know its the Next Gen Xbox.
Out of them 40 million Xbox One gamers do you honestly believe they are not going to want to upgrade to the nextgen xbox none of them?. You think they are all just going to run out and build/buy a gaming PC? or a PS5?.
Also here is a little secret for you, most early buyers of Nextgen systems are the Hardcore fans of whatever system they are a fan of. Otherwise why didnt every PS2 fan upgrade to the PS3 right away? or every PS3 fan upgrade to the PS4 right away?.
To me MS's plan is sound as what they are doing isnt going to damage them at all. Will they lose "Some" console sales to PC gamers who would of got the system if the games wasnt on PC, sure, but this number really isnt as big as you want to think it is.
Will some xbox one owners hold off for a bit on buying the system?, Sure but this has been the case for every system every gen, Its mostly new users and the hardcore fans that upgrade right away. By the time them users do be ready to upgrade the will be exclusives on the Series X that cant be played on the Xbox one. but even if it did have exclusives right from the start it still wouldnt of made the biggest part of them users upgrade any sooner anyways.
Gamepass is great value for money and i honestly do not understand how your trying to say its only aimed at casuals, Have you even looked at the games on it?, the is many games already that would put the Xbox One versions and PS4 versions to shame so i honestly dont understand how you say games wont push graphics cause of GamePass as thats just plan false.
MS streaming service is only a 2nd option that no one has to use, but MS is building it up cos like it or not game streaming is the future and when that future comes MS is going to be in a much better position then Sony but its not sony they are battling here its Google and Amazon for the simple reason that MS doesnt want to be 3rd when the time comes that Streaming "Is" the main way people play.
MS has said time and time again that Dedicated consoles will always be better then streaming for some time, Xbox Series X is their Main focus everything else is building for the future. For someone like me who has always been very good at seeing where the gaming market is going its not that hard to see what MS's plan is and how they are doing a good job with it.
Everything else you or even me say is just a guessing game until the console is released, So you can keep on thinking that Xbox Series X isnt going to have any Xbox one owners wanting to upgrade to it at launch, you can keep on thinking that they are losing millions of users to PC, you can also keep on thinking that Gamepass is only for casuals and that no game at launch is going to look as good as PS5 launch titles. But until release and we see footage of the games it doesnt matter and is just wishful thinking at this stage in the game of what you hope will happen.
Last edited by zero129 - on 27 February 2020