Even wih the best current hardware that consumes about 100W while the Switch is at below 5W iirc. PS4 Pro performance is just unrealistic at this point - even just base PS4 performance would drain the battery way too fast right now.

No, what you said is you don't understand why people think a portable system can match x console, meaning any other console. Obviously portable systems advance the same way home systems do. There is no reason why a portable system can't match the power of "x" system, depending on what the two systems are. Switch exceeds the power of 360 and PS3, having come out a decade later, it's reasonable to expect a system coming out 10 years after One/PS4 to exceed those. Maybe it won't match the later upgraded versions of those systems, but it should at least be somewhere in between the power of PS4 and PS4 Pro. We're not talking about a portable system matching a current home system, we're talking about a portable system matching the power of home consoles from 6 to 10 years ago, which the Switch already does.

If Nintendo saves money by not designing a completely brand new system, but instead does a straight upgrade to the Switch with just a few tweaks beyond the obvious technical upgrades, that saves them a lot of money in the R&D stage, so assuming they can get enough battery power in there, it is certainly within expectations that Switch 2 could at least be close to matching PS4 Pro performance when docked. Maybe it could be PS4 base level in portable mode and close to PS4 Pro when docked, something like that seems fairly reasonable for 2023.

The chipset doesn't exist because it wasn't released yet. Nintendo will use tech released in between 2020 and 2021. There's nothing crazy about a switch 2 being a lot more powerful than a ps4 just like there's nothing crazy about the switch being a lot more powerful than the ps3.

The tegra x2 all the way from 2015 is already on par or better than the xbox one gpu. And are you seriously using overpriced phones for an argument? The switch was going to release in 2016 with a 2015 chip that was high end. My expectations are the same for the switch 2: a 2022 release using a high end 2021 mobile gpu and proportional advances in ram + cpu.

The switch already proves you wrong because nintendo went for the best they could get  while breaking even or having a small profit per unit at $299. It used a 2015 gpu with a release scheduled for 2016.

FLOPS =/= PERFORMANCE. If you're going to use just flops, you should first make an "exchange rate" of up to 2:1 because nvidea gpus tend to perform similarly to amd gpus with a lot more flops. In your language, it's like those 400 gflops on switch are equal to 700-800 when compared to the other amd gpus. Tegra volta already has like 1.3 tflops. Several years later and with a 7/8nm shrink, it should be very easy for nvidea to deliver a 3-3.2 tflop mobile gpu in 2021. That would already match or be close to the raw performance of xb1x gpu.

That's like saying in 2013 that a $299 mobile hardware in 2016 would barely surpass an x360 but the switch is here to prove that wrong. The ps4 and x1 are 2013 consoles using 2012 tech. We're talking about a 9 year technological gap that actually favors mobile tech (it's obviously gonna stay bellow non mobile but the gap is smaller). The switch 2 will be obviously superior than those consoles in every aspect and the only thing that might be close is portable mode gpu power. There's nothing surprising about that, it's just how technology works.

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The chipset doesn't exist because it wasn't released yet. Nintendo will use tech released in between 2020 and 2021. There's nothing crazy about a switch 2 being a lot more powerful than a ps4 just like there's nothing crazy about the switch being a lot more powerful than the ps3.

The tegra x2 all the way from 2015 is already on par or better than the xbox one gpu. And are you seriously using overpriced phones for an argument? The switch was going to release in 2016 with a 2015 chip that was high end. My expectations are the same for the switch 2: a 2022 release using a high end 2021 mobile gpu and proportional advances in ram + cpu.

The switch already proves you wrong because nintendo went for the best they could get  while breaking even or having a small profit per unit at $299. It used a 2015 gpu with a release scheduled for 2016.

FLOPS =/= PERFORMANCE. If you're going to use just flops, you should first make an "exchange rate" of up to 2:1 because nvidea gpus tend to perform similarly to amd gpus with a lot more flops. In your language, it's like those 400 gflops on switch are equal to 700-800 when compared to the other amd gpus. Tegra volta already has like 1.3 tflops. Several years later and with a 7/8nm shrink, it should be very easy for nvidea to deliver a 3-3.2 tflop mobile gpu in 2021. That would already match or be close to the raw performance of xb1x gpu.

That's like saying in 2013 that a $299 mobile hardware in 2016 would barely surpass an x360 but the switch is here to prove that wrong. The ps4 and x1 are 2013 consoles using 2012 tech. We're talking about a 9 year technological gap that actually favors mobile tech (it's obviously gonna stay bellow non mobile but the gap is smaller). The switch 2 will be obviously superior than those consoles in every aspect and the only thing that might be close is portable mode gpu power. There's nothing surprising about that, it's just how technology works.

Few will be realistic in thsi thread when it comes to power. I bet some want a Pro level portable system. That aint going to happen not at a price point Nintendo is happy with.

I know realistically by 2022 even an affordable system power-wise will be about base PS4, but it will have more modern feature sets. With it possibly being based on Ampere chips. BC would be tough but I would hope Nintendo finds a hardware way to make it fully BC. I think since Nintendo cares so deeply about lighting that they will find some way to get 1 or 2 RTX cores in there. Possible. Won't be as advanced as PC cards or other consoles of course. 8GB of ram and one again Nintendo keeps the UI pretty basic leaving about 6-7GB free for devs. That's not that far behind PS5/XBSXwith 13GB free. Currently, I believe Switch has 3.5 GB free for games which was not far behind a base PS4 5GB free. Switch 2 is roughly 2 Teraflops. Now, what it does offer new besides more power. Nvidia Ampere chip releases in 2020 and it becomes pretty cheap in 2 years after that with revised models for Nintendo much like X1 was 2 years old but revised. 900P screen or 1080P if possible battery wise.

Ability to message friends on the base system. Built-in mic on the pro controller and system. Headphone port on the pro controller. Paddles on the pro controller. Nothing as advanced an Elite controller but look at Power A 3rd party Switch controllers. That's done cheaply enough. Keep the cart slot. Have the dock have some foam padding to protect the screen.

My, I can't even begin here. For starters, we're talking about something coming 3 years from now. Today's technology being irrelevant. A system like the switch could have released last month while already being more powerful than a ps4. And no, the gap between the switch and ps4 isn't 3-4x, more like 2-2.25.

Well we aren't talking about today's technology, we're talking about a release in over 3 years from now. A Switch 2 released in 2023 I would expect to at least be more powerful than the base PS4. Main reason I would want Nintendo to target something around PS4 Pro level is so that Switch 2 could do a better job of getting third parties to port their AAA games over to Switch 2, obviously they'd still be graphically downgraded, but still close enough in power to be running well and looking great on Switch 2.