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Machiavellian said:
KLAMarine said:

What real dance? The dance out on the streets?

That dance creates more victims of violence, not less and even then, you're not guaranteed a solution, just more problems to sort through.

Don't worry about it, you would never come to understand and we both will be wasting our time.  You have no clue concerning the situation and you really do not care.  You are still the person that do nothing because its hard or the outcome will not be what you want.  Do nothing people always find an excuse to do nothing which is why nothing every changes for them.  

No, I do care. I care about all lives.

Believe me, I happen to be the top expert on what I care about.



forest-spirit said:
If the death of Herman Cain doesn't put and end to the anti-mask nutjobs then nothing will.

Not even Trump pleading on his death bed after struggling with the virus would sway those morons. It's not just about being right or wrong, it's about their whole identity.



If you demand respect or gratitude for your volunteer work, you're doing volunteering wrong.

Machiavellian said:
KiigelHeart said:

Yeah, it's hypocrisy when you judge the police by it's most violent members but  refuse to judge demonstration  by it's most violent participants.

That is incorrect.  Its not that people are judging police by its more violent participants.  Its the system that allow those violent participants to get off free when caught.  Its the system that only slaps them on the wrist when they do a crime that would net you and I in jail for a long time.  Its not just about the bad apples in the bunch is the protection of those bad apples that is the result of frustration and anger.  What you do not get is that these bad apples have existed for decades doing wrong and then protected by the system and other cops.  This is where the frustration ad anger comes from when there is no justice when a police officer does some wrong and cause a loss of life through either neglect, incompetence or pure hate.

There is still the matter of proof that the system truly is biased.



Hunting Season is done...

Zoombael said:
Machiavellian said:

That is incorrect.  Its not that people are judging police by its more violent participants.  Its the system that allow those violent participants to get off free when caught.  Its the system that only slaps them on the wrist when they do a crime that would net you and I in jail for a long time.  Its not just about the bad apples in the bunch is the protection of those bad apples that is the result of frustration and anger.  What you do not get is that these bad apples have existed for decades doing wrong and then protected by the system and other cops.  This is where the frustration ad anger comes from when there is no justice when a police officer does some wrong and cause a loss of life through either neglect, incompetence or pure hate.

There is still the matter of proof that the system truly is biased.

That differs from region to region within the US.  Its probably more dependent of the diversity of the population in different areas of government, local and state.  Personally, I would be just good to get Police out of this frat mentality and find more non lethal ways to deal with problems instead of shoot first and ask questions later.



Zoombael said:
Machiavellian said:

That is incorrect.  Its not that people are judging police by its more violent participants.  Its the system that allow those violent participants to get off free when caught.  Its the system that only slaps them on the wrist when they do a crime that would net you and I in jail for a long time.  Its not just about the bad apples in the bunch is the protection of those bad apples that is the result of frustration and anger.  What you do not get is that these bad apples have existed for decades doing wrong and then protected by the system and other cops.  This is where the frustration ad anger comes from when there is no justice when a police officer does some wrong and cause a loss of life through either neglect, incompetence or pure hate.

There is still the matter of proof that the system truly is biased.

Openpolicing.stanford.edu/findings

Stanford University analysed almost a hundred million traffic stops and found that cops required less suspicion to search black drivers and more suspicion to search white drivers.

https://news.stanford.edu/press-releases/2020/05/05/veil-darkness-reas-traffic-stops/

They also found that blacks are more likely than whites to be pulled over during the day, but when night falls, the disparity nearly vanishes since it's too dark for a racial ID. Ergo, the cops are racist.



Kushner's axed coronavirus team shied away from a national strategy, believing the virus was hitting Democratic states hardest

https://www.businessinsider.com/kushner-covid-19-plan-maybe-axed-for-political-reasons-report-2020-7?r=US&IR=T

"Members of Jared Kushner's discontinued coronavirus task force considered a national-scale response early in the US coronavirus outbreak.

However, according to a new Vanity Fair report, the plan never came to be — partly because the task force believed that it would be a better political move to hold off.

The logic, according to a source who spoke to Vanity Fair, was the the virus would hit Democrat-voting areas hardest, and the damage could be blamed on local governors instead. "

Its a smart political move, to hurt the democratic states, to score political points, for a comeing election?

People died because of this? they purposefully mis-handled the early days of the pandemic to hurt the blue states?
Wtf?

How far would you go to win a election?
Would you kill or let people die for it?

Apparently Kushner will.

If this can be proven in court, can you charge people for it? Like this sort shouldn't be legal imo.

How Jared Kushner’s Secret Testing Plan “Went Poof Into Thin Air”

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/07/how-jared-kushners-secret-testing-plan-went-poof-into-thin-air

"the effort ran headlong into shifting sentiment at the White House. Trusting his vaunted political instincts, President Trump had been downplaying concerns about the virus and spreading misinformation about it—efforts that were soon amplified by Republican elected officials and right-wing media figures. Worried about the stock market and his reelection prospects, Trump also feared that more testing would only lead to higher case counts and more bad publicity. Meanwhile, Dr. Deborah Birx, the White House’s coronavirus response coordinator, was reportedly sharing models with senior staff that optimistically—and erroneously, it would turn out—predicted the virus would soon fade away.

Against that background, the prospect of launching a large-scale national plan was losing favor, said one public health expert in frequent contact with the White House’s official coronavirus task force.

Most troubling of all, perhaps, was a sentiment the expert said a member of Kushner’s team expressed: that because the virus had hit blue states hardest, a national plan was unnecessary and would not make sense politically. “The political folks believed that because it was going to be relegated to Democratic states, that they could blame those governors, and that would be an effective political strategy,” said the expert.

That logic may have swayed Kushner. “It was very clear that Jared was ultimately the decision maker as to what [plan] was going to come out,” the expert said.

On April 27, Trump stepped to a podium in the Rose Garden, flanked by members of his coronavirus task force and leaders of America’s big commercial testing laboratories, Quest Diagnostics and LabCorp, and finally announced a testing plan: It bore almost no resemblance to the one that had been forged in late March, and shifted the problem of diagnostic testing almost entirely to individual states.

Under the plan released that day, the federal government would act as a facilitator to help increase needed supplies and rapidly approve new versions of diagnostic-testing kits. But the bulk of the effort to operate testing sites and find available labs fell to the states.

“I had this naive optimism: This is too important to be caught in a partisan filter of how we view truth and the world,” said Rick Klausner, a Rockefeller Foundation adviser and former director of the National Cancer Institute. “But the federal government has decided to abrogate responsibility, and basically throw 50 states onto their own.”



What do you even call something like this?

genocide? criminal neglect?

Basically Trump and friends, politicised a pandemic and allowed it to get worse for political gain (believeing it'll stay and hit, hardest in blue states).

Last edited by JRPGfan - on 31 July 2020

Machiavellian said:
Zoombael said:

There is still the matter of proof that the system truly is biased.

That differs from region to region within the US.  Its probably more dependent of the diversity of the population in different areas of government, local and state.  Personally, I would be just good to get Police out of this frat mentality and find more non lethal ways to deal with problems instead of shoot first and ask questions later.

Okay. But it doesn't give any answers.

I've read about police shootings in the US and watched quite a number of them by now. Especially regarding the names mentioned by activists and the media.

Do you know about the gang culture in the US? Do you know extensively.



Hunting Season is done...

Nina Turner: Voting For Biden Like Eating "Half A Bowl Of Sh*t" (Trump, the whole bowl)

Young people of the progressive movement are feeling ripped by this lame duck candidate 



DNC Committee Says no to Legal Weed & Medicare For All



How is the fact that Jared Kushner possbily commited genocide by criminal neglect, just overlooked on this thread?

Isnt this a thread about US politics?
No americans in here care about it?