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Machiavellian said:
KiigelHeart said:

Yeah, it's hypocrisy when you judge the police by it's most violent members but  refuse to judge demonstration  by it's most violent participants.

That is incorrect.  Its not that people are judging police by its more violent participants.  Its the system that allow those violent participants to get off free when caught.  Its the system that only slaps them on the wrist when they do a crime that would net you and I in jail for a long time.  Its not just about the bad apples in the bunch is the protection of those bad apples that is the result of frustration and anger.  What you do not get is that these bad apples have existed for decades doing wrong and then protected by the system and other cops.  This is where the frustration ad anger comes from when there is no justice when a police officer does some wrong and cause a loss of life through either neglect, incompetence or pure hate.

That's your idea of what this is about and believe it or not, it's something I've agreed with since these protests began. Now if only the demands and message was clear to begin with, everything could have played out in a more constructive manner.

But many are doing exactly that, judging the whole police by it's violent members. Asking to literally abolish the police and so on. Crazy stuff all over the internet.



KiigelHeart said:
Machiavellian said:

That is incorrect.  Its not that people are judging police by its more violent participants.  Its the system that allow those violent participants to get off free when caught.  Its the system that only slaps them on the wrist when they do a crime that would net you and I in jail for a long time.  Its not just about the bad apples in the bunch is the protection of those bad apples that is the result of frustration and anger.  What you do not get is that these bad apples have existed for decades doing wrong and then protected by the system and other cops.  This is where the frustration ad anger comes from when there is no justice when a police officer does some wrong and cause a loss of life through either neglect, incompetence or pure hate.

That's your idea of what this is about and believe it or not, it's something I've agreed with since these protests began. Now if only the demands and message was clear to begin with, everything could have played out in a more constructive manner.

But many are doing exactly that, judging the whole police by it's violent members. Asking to literally abolish the police and so on. Crazy stuff all over the internet.

The demands and message will become clear once the frustration ad anger gel into a more solid movement with strong leadership.  What you see right not is always the beginning.  People acting out on emotion coming together but not really sure how to move forward.  Once those emotions go 2 things usually happen, people go back home, the more serious people looking for change will continue, they will start to define and refine the message and they will lobby to get the resources they need to continue.  Its not a process that just suddenly develops out of thin air and everyone is on the same page, usually it takes years and there will be a number of obstacles in the way to derail those efforts.  The thing is that the spotlight is now on the US, the police and the citizens to come to an understanding that what is happening today cannot continue and real measures need to be put into place.

The police will continue to be judge by its most violent members until they do something to make sure those members are not protected.  It cannot be this frat boy type of system where its us against them instead it needs to be the integrity of the police force against anyone who will tarnish it.  Until the police is more concerned about their integrity then protecting everyone within the force is when the mind set of the community will change.



US GDP fell by 33,5% in this Q2 of the year.

Germany had a drop of 10,1%. That was shocking.
UK thinks *theirs might drop 14%.

Supposedly denmark was the 2nd best, at handling the economical impact of covid19 in europe.
We're expecting a drop of about 5%.

Last edited by JRPGfan - on 30 July 2020

JRPGfan said:
US GDP fell by 33,5% in this Q2 of the year.

Wow... that ontop of 28 million people faceing loseing their homes.
US has it bad with this corona virus.

Did see some vids on youtube about lots of youth celebrating 4th juli on a beach and acting really really stupid,i mean as it could be a parody but it was not.



Immersiveunreality said:
JRPGfan said:
US GDP fell by 33,5% in this Q2 of the year.

Wow... that ontop of 28 million people faceing loseing their homes.
US has it bad with this corona virus.

Did see some vids on youtube about lots of youth celebrating 4th juli on a beach and acting really really stupid,i mean as it could be a parody but it was not.

For fun, I looked up the german, and uk numbers.

~10,1% germany.
~14% UK

~5% denmark.

Spain, italy, france are all around ~10% drop too.

Still why is the impact more than 3 times as high in the us?
Is it just because they got so much more spread of it?



Ka-pi96 said:
JRPGfan said:

For fun, I looked up the german, and uk numbers.

~10,1% germany.
~14% UK

~5% denmark.

Spain, italy, france are all around ~10% drop too.

Still why is the impact more than 3 times as high in the us?
Is it just because they got so much more spread of it?

It could be because it's a bigger issue there.

But it could also be down to which industries make up their GDP. Surely some industries have been affected much more than others.

Service and turism are especially bad.
Entertainment too I guess.

Maybe your right, those industries could just make up alot bigger part of the pie, in the US compaired to most other countries.



JRPGfan said:
Immersiveunreality said:

Did see some vids on youtube about lots of youth celebrating 4th juli on a beach and acting really really stupid,i mean as it could be a parody but it was not.

For fun, I looked up the german, and uk numbers.

~10,1% germany.
~14% UK

~5% denmark.

Spain, italy, france are all around ~10% drop too.

Still why is the impact more than 3 times as high in the us?
Is it just because they got so much more spread of it?

Make sure you are comparing the right things. There are three different quarterly GDP stats:

1) Quarter over Quarter: how much GDP changed from last quarter

2) Year over Year: how much GDP changed from last year

3) Annualized: how much the GDP would change if it were to maintain the pace of this quarter over a full year

To compare apples to apples with USA v Germany:

1) QOQ: -9.5% USA vs -10.1% Germany

2) YOY: -9.5% USA vs -11.7% Germany

3) Annualized: -34.5% USA vs -34.7% Germany

Note: I am not an expert on this, and I did half the math myself, so feel free to correct me if I screwed anything up.

EDIT: Fixed Germany annualized calculation.

Last edited by sundin13 - on 30 July 2020

I just assumed they all used the same metrics when reporting quartly results.

On other news: "Herman Cain dies from coronavirus"


He attended a trump rally, didnt wear mask (he was anti-mask), others around him didnt either.
He got the cornavirus and died.

He was a former rep. presidential candidate/radio host, and a big supporter of trump.

Last edited by JRPGfan - on 30 July 2020

If the death of Herman Cain doesn't put and end to the anti-mask nutjobs then nothing will.



Bandorr said:
If I'm understanding the news correctly Herman Cain just died. Most likely of the CoronaVirus. That he got at the Tulsa rally.
Does that make him the most "famous" person to have died of the disease?

Someone that ran for President of the united states in 2012 has died of a virus that the winner of the 2016 presidential race ignored and made fun of.

Hard to beat high royalty here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_María_Teresa_of_Bourbon-Parma

And there's more where that came from. A lot more!