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SpokenTruth said:
src said:

No, you are missing digital. We have no idea of TLoU digital in Japan.

You said.

src said:

TLoU remastered has shipped 1 million+ in 2018, yet MC has the game at 68k. 

Publisher shipments include digital sales



src said:
SpokenTruth said:

You said.

Publisher shipments include digital sales

Then you might wither want to say shipped + digital or say sold.  Otherwise you get misleading statements like you made earlier that run counter to your intended point.



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src said:

Because the Japanese market is >>>> the other Asian markets. 

In spite of the Japanese market being larger.

src said:

Like TLoU sold 200k in Japan with 7 million PS4's but 800k in places where PS4 sold 2-3 million ???

I guess? In Japan the PS4 sold 8 million on the back of Monster Hunter, Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy. When all it had was Western games it struggled.

What moved PS4s in South Korea? Malaysia? Singapore? They don't really care about Dragon Quest.

So far we've completely ignored the impact of PSN discounts as well. Maybe that increased sales in Japan in particular and we're looking at something closer to 500k, or it made the game particularly attractive in other markets that are more price conscious?



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SpokenTruth said:
src said:

Publisher shipments include digital sales

Then you might wither want to say shipped + digital or say sold.  Otherwise you get misleading statements like you made earlier that run counter to your intended point.

No. Thats what the industry uses. Every publishers report on shipments includes digital sales. 

theDX said:
src said:

Because the Japanese market is >>>> the other Asian markets. 

In spite of the Japanese market being larger.

src said:

Like TLoU sold 200k in Japan with 7 million PS4's but 800k in places where PS4 sold 2-3 million ???

I guess? In Japan the PS4 sold 8 million on the back of Monster Hunter, Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy. When all it had was Western games it struggled.

What moved PS4s in South Korea? Malaysia? Singapore? They don't really care about Dragon Quest.

So far we've completely ignored the impact of PSN discounts as well. Maybe that increased sales in Japan in particular and we're looking at something closer to 500k, or it made the game particularly attractive in other markets that are more price conscious?

Such conclusions can simply not be made without any data.

For sure PSN discounts can lead to bigger digital skews. The entire point was, digital is big and Japanese charts do not show it at all, hence why you have games like GOW, TLOU, RDR, Nier selling 1 million+ or AC7 selling 500k+ but physical sales don't even show a half of that in Japan. 



src said:

Such conclusions can simply not be made without any data.

For sure PSN discounts can lead to bigger digital skews. The entire point was, digital is big and Japanese charts do not show it at all, hence why you have games like GOW, TLOU, RDR, Nier selling 1 million+ or AC7 selling 500k+ but physical sales don't even show a half of that in Japan. 

The problem is that you start with the conclusion that digital in Japan is this massive unknown entity that accounts for the difference between Asian shipments and Japanese retail sales and go from there.

Including GoW and TLoU as examples of  top tier hits in Japan because they shipped 1 million in Asia doesn't make sense if you think about it from any point of view other than "must make Japanese PS4 software sales look good".



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theDX said:
src said:

Such conclusions can simply not be made without any data.

For sure PSN discounts can lead to bigger digital skews. The entire point was, digital is big and Japanese charts do not show it at all, hence why you have games like GOW, TLOU, RDR, Nier selling 1 million+ or AC7 selling 500k+ but physical sales don't even show a half of that in Japan. 

The problem is that you start with the conclusion that digital in Japan is this massive unknown entity that accounts for the difference between Asian shipments and Japanese retail sales and go from there.

Including GoW and TLoU as examples of  top tier hits in Japan because they shipped 1 million in Asia doesn't make sense if you think about it from any point of view other than "must make Japanese PS4 software sales look good".

Not really. Its completely data based:

Japan PS4 sales >>>>> Rest of Asia PS4 sales. Unless there is evidence that RoA has some massive bias towards TLoU or GOW, the clear conclusion is digital sales are massive.

We already have info from Sony that digital average is 40%. We already have info from some games recently (P5R, 13 Sentinels, MHW) that show large digital sales. 



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src said:
theDX said:

The problem is that you start with the conclusion that digital in Japan is this massive unknown entity that accounts for the difference between Asian shipments and Japanese retail sales and go from there.

Including GoW and TLoU as examples of  top tier hits in Japan because they shipped 1 million in Asia doesn't make sense if you think about it from any point of view other than "must make Japanese PS4 software sales look good".

Not really. Its completely data based:

Japan PS4 sales >>>>> Rest of Asia PS4 sales. Unless there is evidence that RoA has some massive bias towards TLoU or GOW, the clear conclusion is digital sales are massive.

We already have info from Sony that digital average is 40%. We already have info from some games recently (P5R, 13 Sentinels, MHW) that show large digital sales. 

Digital being 40% wouldn’t put neither game near a million.

Last edited by MasonADC - on 01 March 2020