goopy20 said:
Nobody's saying you need cutting edge hardware to make innovative games. Hell, I think BOTW is one of the best games I played this generation. But you tell me what is the point of having a new console generation? Isn't it because we want developers to create new experiences that take a dramatic leap from what we're seeing now? Games like Fortnite and Apex Legends probably wouldn't exist if we would all still be playing on 360/ps3. Of course, Series X will still have next gen games eventually but by fragmenting the Xbox brand over a ton of devices they are making it exactly like pc. So what is the difference between a console and pc, I hear you ask? Consoles are a closed platform where developers can build their games around the specs of a single device. Even unlocking a single cpu core has an impact on what developers can do on a console, like we seen on the Xone when they removed mandatory Kinect support. That;s the whole beauty of consoles. As where on pc, developers have to make their games so they run on a ton of different configurations and make their games so the masses with lower spec'd pc's/ consoles will get the same core gameplay experience. Now, I know how scaling works but if you have a 2080Ti uber pc right now, can you then really play AAA games on it that take a generational leap over what we're seeing now on consoles? You'll get the same core games only at 300fps and 8k resolution and a bumb in graphics settings. Which will only change when the new consoles arrive and we get AAA games pushing that kind of hardware while targeting 30fps/1440p . People seem to get offended when I talk about GP because they think I'm saying it's for casuals. I never said that, the only thing I said is that it's for gamers who don't have the kind of specs that are in the Series X. If building GP subscribers is MS's main focus next gen, why would they then have games on it that nobody would be able to play? That's why I'm saying, they won't build their games around Series X like specs and truly be able push the tech until hardware like that becomes mainstream on pc. That's why uncle Phil said there are trade offs as they're not going to dictate what developers will support. However, we already know what kind of specs MS themselves are going to support with all 14 of their 1st party studios. Sony is taking the more traditional approach where they have a single next gen consoles that they can push to its limits from day one. If they will do a good job at that early on, and if their games will be any good, we will just have to wait and see. But from a sales perspective it's gonna be a nightmare for Series X in the first couple of years. People will be rushing to the stores to get their hands on a next gen console. They'll see a $150 Xone running Halo Infnite and there will be a $699 Series X next to it running the same game, just a bit better. On the other side there will be a $399 ps5 running an open world Knack 3 with full blown Raytracing. They will probably say "oh, it's Knack...." but they will still gawk at the graphics and get excited over it. So which console do you think people will buy even if Knack is utter shit and people will still buy the latest cross-gen COD instead? Next gen launch games don't have to be great as long as they fuel the desire for next gen and a promise of what's to come. if Sony has those games and show glimpses of things like a new sci-fi ip from ND, HZD 2 etc early on, next gen will be over before it even started. 2 Years might not sound long for some people but the ex CEO of EA games already declared Sony the winner in 2015 when the ps4 already build a 40m installbase by the end of that year. https://www.gamespot.com/articles/sony-nailed-it-with-ps4-and-deserves-victory-over-/1100-6427166/ |
Oh boy...each point will represent every paragraph you wrote.
- 3rd party devs can create what they want off the bat. The vast majority of the gen belongs to Xbox for power. Cross gen games dominated popularity in the beginning of this gen over games like Knack/Killzone/Ryse/Forza 5.
- “I want my purdy graphix!” is your general point and by making games like PC you feel we won’t get the most of it? Well I’d say that’s gross negative speculation and the games will look gorgeous with all this talk MS is doing about Series X specs. Don’t pretend Sony ever made more then 1 sku...and it’s ironic with PS4 Pro not living up to Sony’s advertising with “fake 4K” games being the end result.
- You actually did say GP was for casuals when you said “broader audience”. It’s ok we teaching you :) GP also is not for those with weaker specs. It’s for anybody who has any Xbox or PC. It’s for people who are tired of buying their games outright. lol that’s it. MS announced Smart Delievery meaning the version you play corresponds to the hardware you own. XB1, XBX, Series X...get it?
- Historically Sony has an uphill battle with exclusive quality in the first year, and if so you will look silly telling us that those games are overall better then the critically acclaimed Xbox cross gen exclusives. $399 PS5 vs $699 Series X, can’t wait to call you out on that overly optimistic (Sony) and negative (Xbox) assessment. Did you know the report that said PS5 parts cost $450? That’s without packaging and transport and retail store costs. People who want the power investment for the generation will buy SeriesX. You are so laser focused on the first year which is dominated by cross gen games on both sides.
- “Next gen launch games don't have to be great“ Oh dear, you just admitted to preferring shallow experiences so long as they drive console sales. As a gamer you should care about quality from day 1. We know Sony will sell more consoles. But if my hunch is right that’s gonna be a outdated measurement of victory. Players are where the money is, games are where the money is, NEVER the console. Whether it’s power or price or Pc, MS has a choice. So long as you join the Xbox family, MS achieved their goal.
PS - You yourself admitted to wanting to play Halo Infinite. Even if it’s through a GP promotion you are investing your time with the Xbox ecosystem. Do you not see the irony? You are an example of MSs strategy working. I mean no offence when I say this.
Last edited by sales2099 - on 28 February 2020Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles.
