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Kage848 said:
DirtyP2002 said:

I like to say this again and again, but even if the PS3 overtakes the Xbox 360 worldwide, they will still lose this gen.

I think the downfall of the PS3 is legendary. It will be lucky to get 50% of the sales of the predecessor and Sony will never make money with it. There is no other way than to accredit that Sony is THE loser this gen. This is no flamebait, this is just reality. You have to see it from macro-prespective.

Of course Nintendo is THE winner. From last place last gen, to close to 50% market share is awesome. And the DS was never as brilliant as it is today. The Wii might sell 500% - 600% more than the Gamecube.

MS did very well. They will break even with the 360 very soon and they will sell 150% more consoles than last gen. Xbox Live continues to grow. In a few months, there will be more Xbox Live users than the original Xbox sold consoles.

About the PS3 overtaking the 360, I think I heard this before...

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=25094


This.

By all means the PS3 fanboys should be happy if/when the PS3 takes second place. I for one think it will and ill even go so far to say it already has, you can't ignore a years head start in my book.

But this guys correct. I have said it before and I'll say it again. Sony is by far the biggest loser this gen. Again please sony fans don't get mad at us stating the facts. I own one and love it as its a great console but this is reality.

It all depends on how you look at it. Sony dropped the ball no question, but recent evidence suggests the market has been largely willing to forgive and forget. Is that what a loser looks like? No a loser loses market support and doesn't get it back. PS3 is well on the road to redemption, people and companies who redeem themselves aren't losers.

Microsoft's aim was to obliterate the PS brand and wipe it from people's memories (OK slight exaggeration maybe). You can bet Microsoft were giddy with anticipation of achieving this goal when they saw how Sony botched the PS3 launch and pricing. They would have seen the demise of the PS brand in a single generation being a distinct possibility. (Had Wii not come along and blown both PS3 and 360 out of the water (and though I dis-like raising it as it's too often over used RROD didn't do them any favours) they may well have succeeded, so Sony actually owes Nintendo a favour for keeping them in the game.) But Microsoft couldn't deliver the knock-out blow. Sony was wounded, badly wounded, but the PS brand pulled through to get to a sustainable position. Is that what a loser looks like? No, when a loser goes down they stay down. PS3 picked itself up, and got back into the fight determined to carry on.

It wasn't even a year ago when there was a lot of talk about Sony bowing out and leaving the console hardware game. Is anyone other than the most one eyed PS3 hater really thinking that now? PS3's star is on the rise. Can you really say that a console whose star is on the rise is a loser? No, when a loser's prospects have gone sour they fail to turn things around. PS3's fortunes turned around and it's are enjoying a resurgent return to form.

Financially PS3 has cost Sony a lot of money, but sometimes you've got to spend money to make money. Circumstances conspired against Sony and they got stung by having their overall business get badly hit both from within (and not just by PS3) and from without. Microsoft's loss leading Xbox strategy has now started to pay dividends. You can't say Sony's loss leading PS3 strategy was a losing strategy at this point in time. A few more years will have to pass before you can really put the period of PS3 being a loss making hardware into it's proper historical perspective. It might be right that Sony made a very bad judgement call with PS3 being high priced and still sold at a loss, But there might be long term payoffs for Sony that will end up more than compensating for the lean times. Sony has survived the finaincial problems to date, and that's what really matters in this respect.

From a different perspective: that PS3 is now more competitive than it's ever been (despite the most dire predicitons of a great many people and pundits), and has the prospect of eventually having higher LTD sales than 360, you could argue that 360 will ultimately lose this generation. Why? Because Microsoft basically let PS3 get back in the game and it's quite possible that in doing so Sony are poised to re-take the crown in the next generation. The very last thing Microsoft wanted out of this generation (especially with the way Sony began) was for Sony to be capable of vying for top honours in the next gen battle. A key 360 KPI will not be met. There's nothing Microsoft can do about it, PS3 is still here, Sony is still here, and PS4 is about as certain as a next gen XBox. You can't tell me that Microsoft is a bit bummed about that. They wanted it all this gen, but they didn't get it (again thanks in large measure to the Wii).

The inter-generational contest is finely balanced between 360 and PS3. And while Wii is a phenomenon PS3 and 360 are very successful 2nd and 3rd placed consoles and they will both be in a position to challenge Nintendo in gen 8.

If you want to see things from a macro-perspective then you should look at the console wars like a boxing match with each generation being a round. PS3 started this round with a standing 8 count (or 2), after delivering 2 standing 8 counts in the previous round and a knock out blow (Dreamcast). By the end of the round PS3 will have delivered enough blows of its own for the round to be called pretty much even between 360 and PS3.

You can call PS3 the loser, and it looked a lot like one for some time. But it doesn't look like one now.

 



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jneul said:
yanamaster said:
jneul said:
DirtyP2002 said:
jneul said:
DirtyP2002 said:

I like to say this again and again, but even if the PS3 overtakes the Xbox 360 worldwide, they will still lose this gen.

I think the downfall of the PS3 is legendary. It will be lucky to get 50% of the sales of the predecessor and Sony will never make money with it. There is no other way than to accredit that Sony is THE loser this gen. This is no flamebait, this is just reality. You have to see it from macro-prespective.

Of course Nintendo is THE winner. From last place last gen, to close to 50% market share is awesome. And the DS was never as brilliant as it is today. The Wii might sell 500% - 600% more than the Gamecube.

MS did very well. They will break even with the 360 very soon and they will sell 150% more consoles than last gen. Xbox Live continues to grow. In a few months, there will be more Xbox Live users than the original Xbox sold consoles.

About the PS3 overtaking the 360, I think I heard this before...

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=25094

It has sold 31 million in 3 years do the maths ps3 will be a 100m+ seller.


yeah, because it will sell forever.

Do you really think the PS3 will sell 10 million per year till 2017? You know that there will be a Wii 2, Xbox 3 and a PS4 on the market years before?!

The allmighty PS2 was released holiday 2000. It is by far the most successful console ever.
The PS2 sold 12 million in the past two years. You expect the PS3 to outsell the PS2 by almost 100% in this point of its lifecycle?!

No way Jose

of course it will sell enough to reach that amount, the ps2 did sell alot more admitedly, but i am betting it will have sales more like ps1's(slighty less) then ps2's.

saying it won't is a little bit silly, ps always takes it's time, but eventually it proves everyone wrong, just like ps2 and ps1 did (admitedly faster).

Excuse me but HA HA HA.....Oh wait you're actually serious about this?

The ps3 will be a 4 year old console the coming November and will have sold not more than some 40 million consoles by then, if not less. Going by sales trend and taking into account such things as price reductions, big games etc. by the time the ps3 will be mass market price like Wii or below there will already be a new generation of consoles and the ps3 will have some 55-60 million consoles sold, well below what PS1 did.

And what idiocy is your claim that the PS takes its time? for sales? In the last 3 years the ps2 sold maybe 20 million units, most was sold during the first 4 years.

the ps3 will sell about 14m consoles this year it's my prediction, that takes it beyond 40, (around 44 ish i think lol), a new generation of consoles will not stop it from selling, just remember what happened when the gc and xbox released after the ps2, it did not slow down.

I don't think sony will bother with a new console until 2012, this gen has cost them too much already, and the ps3 is just starting to gain pace, more people want ps3 now, alot of people thought ps2 was doomed for it's first year, but it proved everyone wrong(that's what i mean by the ps brand takes it's time, sega was dominating at first lol), the difference here is ps3 was way more expensive, and has only just fallen to be an acceptable price, it has better years ahead of it than 2009.

the end of this year 2010 ps3 shall be #2 mark my words.

 


I will definately mark them.

but just for fun, this is where your mistakes are:

  1. "a new generation of consoles will not stop it from selling, just remember what happened when the gc and xbox released after the ps2, it did not slow down"

    The GC and Xbox were in the same gen. There was no next gen till November 2005 when the Xbox 360 launched.
  2. "alot of people thought ps2 was doomed for it's first year"

    really? could be, but I can't remember
  3. "that's what i mean by the ps brand takes it's time, sega was dominating at first lol"

    Sega never dominated anything. They were a great console manufacturer (love the DC), but they never won a generation. Genesis, Saturn, DC etc all lost versus their competitors. The Dreamcast never dominated anything. It had a headstart, but there was no time in its lifecycle where the DC was a major success.

 

Could you provide your sales predictions for the PS3 in the upcoming years?

2010: 14million
2011: ???
2012:
2013:
2014:
2015:

etc



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joshin69 said:
heruamon said:
Xoj said:
heruamon said:
LOL...this seems like Dejavu...isn't this the seem arrogance that got them in this position to begin with?

lulz microsoft and nintendo arent arrogant xO.

it's PR, i heard microsoft and nintendo said worse, though this is just his opinion, and it's true that even with year headstart ps3 isn't trailing much behind.

but it was microsoft rushing that got them into RROD.

 

and nintendo wasn't much angel either SNES and n64 era.

that's ignore PR, when the console speaks for itself, the work 180,000 employees.

Looking at the mess that Toyota finds itself in right now, one can clearly see that not all engineering problems, ala RROD, were malicious, even if some disgruntled employee says so...and there hasn't been any fatalities from RRODs.  I'm not sure how arrogance fits into gettign a product to market...rushing...lol...funny.  Time will tell, but since the PS3...is nearly in the SAME position it was back in 2007, it's somewhat cocky to say we got this in the bag.


If its a choice between arrogants and complete contempt well...

M$ took a chance with the MTBF of the console...and they got burnt on it, but looking back now, it made all the difference in the world for them.  Had they launched, when the PS3 did...they would be 10 million consoles behind, if not more, imho.  They are now profitable, and 5 million ahead, with 2010 shaping up to be the biggest year of the 360.  People forget that it takes 2-4 years ot launch a game, so in 2008, alot of developers and publisher started to rethink how this generation was going to play out...so I think 2010-2012 timeframe will be huge for the 360, imho.



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heruamon said:
joshin69 said:
heruamon said:
Xoj said:
heruamon said:
LOL...this seems like Dejavu...isn't this the seem arrogance that got them in this position to begin with?

lulz microsoft and nintendo arent arrogant xO.

it's PR, i heard microsoft and nintendo said worse, though this is just his opinion, and it's true that even with year headstart ps3 isn't trailing much behind.

but it was microsoft rushing that got them into RROD.

 

and nintendo wasn't much angel either SNES and n64 era.

that's ignore PR, when the console speaks for itself, the work 180,000 employees.

Looking at the mess that Toyota finds itself in right now, one can clearly see that not all engineering problems, ala RROD, were malicious, even if some disgruntled employee says so...and there hasn't been any fatalities from RRODs.  I'm not sure how arrogance fits into gettign a product to market...rushing...lol...funny.  Time will tell, but since the PS3...is nearly in the SAME position it was back in 2007, it's somewhat cocky to say we got this in the bag.


If its a choice between arrogants and complete contempt well...

M$ took a chance with the MTBF of the console...and they got burnt on it, but looking back now, it made all the difference in the world for them.  Had they launched, when the PS3 did...they would be 10 million consoles behind, if not more, imho.  They are now profitable, and 5 million ahead, with 2010 shaping up to be the biggest year of the 360.  People forget that it takes 2-4 years ot launch a game, so in 2008, alot of developers and publisher started to rethink how this generation was going to play out...so I think 2010-2012 timeframe will be huge for the 360, imho.

Well the most important thing is that both survived REALLY bad decisions. It would us the gamers who would lose out if one had gone due to choices made.



 

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IGN: And what would you say is your biggest failure?

Peter Dille: Well, it's not a failure in that it was fatal, but it's well-documented that we didn't have as smooth a launch as we would have liked to. I think we primed the pump with a lot of interest in the platform. People can point to the ads and whatnot. We talked about that. I think the shortcoming was getting a lot of people whipped up and having them wait in line and then only having a very, very limited amount of hardware supply globally, which meant that we had a kind of start and stop effect with our launch, which is hard to recover from. It was a speed bump that we had to overcome and we overcame it.

Yeah, the problem with the PS3 launch was scarcity of hardware. Oh, Sony...



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Seeing how successful Avatar was... PS3 might have an advantage with 3D.

Uncharted 3D coming soon.



badgenome said:

IGN: And what would you say is your biggest failure?

Peter Dille: Well, it's not a failure in that it was fatal, but it's well-documented that we didn't have as smooth a launch as we would have liked to. I think we primed the pump with a lot of interest in the platform. People can point to the ads and whatnot. We talked about that. I think the shortcoming was getting a lot of people whipped up and having them wait in line and then only having a very, very limited amount of hardware supply globally, which meant that we had a kind of start and stop effect with our launch, which is hard to recover from. It was a speed bump that we had to overcome and we overcame it.

Yeah, the problem with the PS3 launch was scarcity of hardware. Oh, Sony...

but you gotta say badgenome

its impressive he came up with such spin.



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darthdevidem01 said:
badgenome said:

IGN: And what would you say is your biggest failure?

Peter Dille: Well, it's not a failure in that it was fatal, but it's well-documented that we didn't have as smooth a launch as we would have liked to. I think we primed the pump with a lot of interest in the platform. People can point to the ads and whatnot. We talked about that. I think the shortcoming was getting a lot of people whipped up and having them wait in line and then only having a very, very limited amount of hardware supply globally, which meant that we had a kind of start and stop effect with our launch, which is hard to recover from. It was a speed bump that we had to overcome and we overcame it.

Yeah, the problem with the PS3 launch was scarcity of hardware. Oh, Sony...

but you gotta say badgenome

its impressive he came up with such spin.

Yeah. But you gotta say, darth...

He is a fucking clown.



badgenome said:
darthdevidem01 said:
badgenome said:

IGN: And what would you say is your biggest failure?

Peter Dille: Well, it's not a failure in that it was fatal, but it's well-documented that we didn't have as smooth a launch as we would have liked to. I think we primed the pump with a lot of interest in the platform. People can point to the ads and whatnot. We talked about that. I think the shortcoming was getting a lot of people whipped up and having them wait in line and then only having a very, very limited amount of hardware supply globally, which meant that we had a kind of start and stop effect with our launch, which is hard to recover from. It was a speed bump that we had to overcome and we overcame it.

Yeah, the problem with the PS3 launch was scarcity of hardware. Oh, Sony...

but you gotta say badgenome

its impressive he came up with such spin.

Yeah. But you gotta say, darth...

He is a fucking clown.

Yeah. But you gotta say, badgenome...

is he this clown

or this one



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^ The first one, because you gotta say, darth... the second one rules.