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lestatdark on 21 March 2010
Pristine20 said:
lestatdark said:
Pristine20 said:
dtewi said:
Pristine20 said:
lestatdark said:
KylieDog said:
Whats with the groups of owl like thigns in Gran Pulse having time liits of 18 minutes or so when they all killed in 5 seconds with 2 blitz attacks?

Yeah, those are heavily unbalanced. Even with mid level Tier 2 weapons, they're ridiculously high, 5 minutes.

I just faced a 1.5M juggernaught who has a 1 min and 36 seconds time limit.... yeah, that's fair XD  

Even with max crystallium, I have trouble 5-starring juggernaut. The time limit doesnt make sense

Special attacks and pre-emptive?

I cant pre-empt him. the only way I've 5-starred it is to use "infiltration (sab/sab/sab) cast deprotect, deshell, Imperil and slow. Then switch to tri-disaster (rav/rav/rav) and go all out till he staggers. He'll try to "steam clean" (remove ailments) before staggering. This mustn't happen or you wont make it.

 

Immediately after staggering him, switch to ''cerberus" (com/com/com) to take him out ASAP. The launch will prevent him from ever recovering. this is the only way I ever 5-star this battle

Yep, can't pre-empt him, but did get one 5/5. Oddly, he got staggered when I used espionage (SAB/SYN/SAB) and after that, it was gravvy. Didn't understand why he got staggered so fast though

Honestly, sometimes it seems to me that sabs stagger enemies faster than ravagers. However, you may have had "random insta-chain" synth ability or do you use Light's lionheart?

Nope, just got it in this chapter but haven't used it yet. I think it was sheer luck >_<



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Pristine20 on 21 March 2010
dtewi said:
Pristine20 said:
dtewi said:
Pristine20 said:
dtewi said:
Pristine20 said:
lestatdark said:
KylieDog said:
Whats with the groups of owl like thigns in Gran Pulse having time liits of 18 minutes or so when they all killed in 5 seconds with 2 blitz attacks?

Yeah, those are heavily unbalanced. Even with mid level Tier 2 weapons, they're ridiculously high, 5 minutes.

I just faced a 1.5M juggernaught who has a 1 min and 36 seconds time limit.... yeah, that's fair XD  

Even with max crystallium, I have trouble 5-starring juggernaut. The time limit doesnt make sense

Special attacks and pre-emptive?

I cant pre-empt him. the only way I've 5-starred it is to use "infiltration (sab/sab/sab) cast deprotect, deshell, Imperil and slow. Then switch to tri-disaster (rav/rav/rav) and go all out till he staggers. He'll try to "steam clean" (remove ailments) before staggering. This mustn't happen or you wont make it.

 

Immediately after staggering him, switch to ''cerberus" (com/com/com) to take him out ASAP. The launch will prevent him from ever recovering. this is the only way I ever 5-star this battle

Fortisol and Deceptisol?

Why can't he be pre-empted?

Oh, and so, .4 * Augmented 350 = 140, much better than 50.

But does Faith ever run out even with Auto-Faith?

The auto-abilities in this game only last 40secs. They're for cleaning regular mobs fast not taking down the big dogs. I never used a deceptisol the whole game 9so Idk if it helps you preempt) and using fortisol for a regular mob just doesnt sit right with me

Fuck that. A 140 boost for 40 seconds is worse than a 50 boost for 3 minutes.

Meh, I could switch it before bigger enemies and bosses, but that's stupid.

Well, the only one of those I really find useful is the sprint shoes (auto-haste). It makes it much easier to 5-star random mobs



"Dr. Tenma, according to you, lives are equal. That's why I live today. But you must have realised it by now...the only thing people are equal in is death"---Johann Liebert (MONSTER)

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler

Pristine20 on 21 March 2010
lestatdark said:
Pristine20 said:
lestatdark said:
Pristine20 said:
dtewi said:
Pristine20 said:
lestatdark said:
KylieDog said:
Whats with the groups of owl like thigns in Gran Pulse having time liits of 18 minutes or so when they all killed in 5 seconds with 2 blitz attacks?

Yeah, those are heavily unbalanced. Even with mid level Tier 2 weapons, they're ridiculously high, 5 minutes.

I just faced a 1.5M juggernaught who has a 1 min and 36 seconds time limit.... yeah, that's fair XD  

Even with max crystallium, I have trouble 5-starring juggernaut. The time limit doesnt make sense

Special attacks and pre-emptive?

I cant pre-empt him. the only way I've 5-starred it is to use "infiltration (sab/sab/sab) cast deprotect, deshell, Imperil and slow. Then switch to tri-disaster (rav/rav/rav) and go all out till he staggers. He'll try to "steam clean" (remove ailments) before staggering. This mustn't happen or you wont make it.

 

Immediately after staggering him, switch to ''cerberus" (com/com/com) to take him out ASAP. The launch will prevent him from ever recovering. this is the only way I ever 5-star this battle

Yep, can't pre-empt him, but did get one 5/5. Oddly, he got staggered when I used espionage (SAB/SYN/SAB) and after that, it was gravvy. Didn't understand why he got staggered so fast though

Honestly, sometimes it seems to me that sabs stagger enemies faster than ravagers. However, you may have had "random insta-chain" synth ability or do you use Light's lionheart?

Nope, just got it in this chapter but haven't used it yet. I think it was sheer luck >_<

hmm...strange. it usually takes me two rounds of tri-disaster (rav/rav/rav) with 6ATBs to stagger him.



"Dr. Tenma, according to you, lives are equal. That's why I live today. But you must have realised it by now...the only thing people are equal in is death"---Johann Liebert (MONSTER)

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler

dtewi on 21 March 2010
Pristine20 said:
dtewi said:
Considering she is much better at offense than magic, I don't see much point in leveling a weapon that utilizes magic. I mean, bring in Hope or Vanille. Seriously, would you rather have more damage done DURING or BEFORE stagger? And sure, she's the third best healer or whatever, but seriously, 3 Medics gets health up so quickly Magic stat doesn't matter that much.
 

light ends up with 1700 str and 1700 mag so she isnt better at either. her weapons also all have balanced stats except the 2 specialty ones (gladius for str and edged carbine for mag) so unless you specifically push her to one side, she'll stay balanced

If that's true, then the Gladius should be leveled up since it would give a bigger Str boost than the other weapon's Mag boost (I think).



Kimi wa ne tashika ni ano toki watashi no soba ni ita

Itsudatte itsudatte itsudatte

Sugu yoko de waratteita

Nakushitemo torimodosu kimi wo

I will never leave you

lestatdark on 21 March 2010
Pristine20 said:
lestatdark said:
Pristine20 said:
lestatdark said:
Pristine20 said:
dtewi said:
Pristine20 said:
lestatdark said:
KylieDog said:
Whats with the groups of owl like thigns in Gran Pulse having time liits of 18 minutes or so when they all killed in 5 seconds with 2 blitz attacks?

Yeah, those are heavily unbalanced. Even with mid level Tier 2 weapons, they're ridiculously high, 5 minutes.

I just faced a 1.5M juggernaught who has a 1 min and 36 seconds time limit.... yeah, that's fair XD  

Even with max crystallium, I have trouble 5-starring juggernaut. The time limit doesnt make sense

Special attacks and pre-emptive?

I cant pre-empt him. the only way I've 5-starred it is to use "infiltration (sab/sab/sab) cast deprotect, deshell, Imperil and slow. Then switch to tri-disaster (rav/rav/rav) and go all out till he staggers. He'll try to "steam clean" (remove ailments) before staggering. This mustn't happen or you wont make it.

 

Immediately after staggering him, switch to ''cerberus" (com/com/com) to take him out ASAP. The launch will prevent him from ever recovering. this is the only way I ever 5-star this battle

Yep, can't pre-empt him, but did get one 5/5. Oddly, he got staggered when I used espionage (SAB/SYN/SAB) and after that, it was gravvy. Didn't understand why he got staggered so fast though

Honestly, sometimes it seems to me that sabs stagger enemies faster than ravagers. However, you may have had "random insta-chain" synth ability or do you use Light's lionheart?

Nope, just got it in this chapter but haven't used it yet. I think it was sheer luck >_<

hmm...strange. it usually takes me two rounds of tri-disaster (rav/rav/rav) with 6ATBs to stagger him.

I know, his stagger resist is extremely high. That's why I found it so damn odd >_< Haven't been able to do it since. Got a sweet Particle Accelerator from him though xD



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Pristine20 on 21 March 2010
dtewi said:
Pristine20 said:
dtewi said:
Considering she is much better at offense than magic, I don't see much point in leveling a weapon that utilizes magic. I mean, bring in Hope or Vanille. Seriously, would you rather have more damage done DURING or BEFORE stagger? And sure, she's the third best healer or whatever, but seriously, 3 Medics gets health up so quickly Magic stat doesn't matter that much.
 

light ends up with 1700 str and 1700 mag so she isnt better at either. her weapons also all have balanced stats except the 2 specialty ones (gladius for str and edged carbine for mag) so unless you specifically push her to one side, she'll stay balanced

If that's true, then the Gladius should be leveled up since it would give a bigger Str boost than the other weapon's Mag boost (I think).

Light's primary purpose IMO is to be secondary Com (for already staggered enemies), Rav and secondary medic as well. 2 of those roles require benefit from higher Mag while only 1 benefits from higher str so I'd advise keeping her balanced  except she's your primary commando (in the case you dont use Fang)



"Dr. Tenma, according to you, lives are equal. That's why I live today. But you must have realised it by now...the only thing people are equal in is death"---Johann Liebert (MONSTER)

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler

Carl on 21 March 2010
dtewi said:
Pristine20 said:
dtewi said:
Considering she is much better at offense than magic, I don't see much point in leveling a weapon that utilizes magic. I mean, bring in Hope or Vanille. Seriously, would you rather have more damage done DURING or BEFORE stagger? And sure, she's the third best healer or whatever, but seriously, 3 Medics gets health up so quickly Magic stat doesn't matter that much.
 

light ends up with 1700 str and 1700 mag so she isnt better at either. her weapons also all have balanced stats except the 2 specialty ones (gladius for str and edged carbine for mag) so unless you specifically push her to one side, she'll stay balanced

If that's true, then the Gladius should be leveled up since it would give a bigger Str boost than the other weapon's Mag boost (I think).

Fully upraded...

Blaze Edge - Str: ~600 Mag: ~600

Edged Carbine - Str: ~200 Mag: ~700

Gladius - Str: ~700 Mag: ~200



                            

Pristine20 on 21 March 2010
lestatdark said:
Pristine20 said:
lestatdark said:
Pristine20 said:
lestatdark said:
Pristine20 said:
dtewi said:
Pristine20 said:
lestatdark said:
KylieDog said:
Whats with the groups of owl like thigns in Gran Pulse having time liits of 18 minutes or so when they all killed in 5 seconds with 2 blitz attacks?

Yeah, those are heavily unbalanced. Even with mid level Tier 2 weapons, they're ridiculously high, 5 minutes.

I just faced a 1.5M juggernaught who has a 1 min and 36 seconds time limit.... yeah, that's fair XD  

Even with max crystallium, I have trouble 5-starring juggernaut. The time limit doesnt make sense

Special attacks and pre-emptive?

I cant pre-empt him. the only way I've 5-starred it is to use "infiltration (sab/sab/sab) cast deprotect, deshell, Imperil and slow. Then switch to tri-disaster (rav/rav/rav) and go all out till he staggers. He'll try to "steam clean" (remove ailments) before staggering. This mustn't happen or you wont make it.

 

Immediately after staggering him, switch to ''cerberus" (com/com/com) to take him out ASAP. The launch will prevent him from ever recovering. this is the only way I ever 5-star this battle

Yep, can't pre-empt him, but did get one 5/5. Oddly, he got staggered when I used espionage (SAB/SYN/SAB) and after that, it was gravvy. Didn't understand why he got staggered so fast though

Honestly, sometimes it seems to me that sabs stagger enemies faster than ravagers. However, you may have had "random insta-chain" synth ability or do you use Light's lionheart?

Nope, just got it in this chapter but haven't used it yet. I think it was sheer luck >_<

hmm...strange. it usually takes me two rounds of tri-disaster (rav/rav/rav) with 6ATBs to stagger him.

I know, his stagger resist is extremely high. That's why I found it so damn odd >_< Haven't been able to do it since. Got a sweet Particle Accelerator from him though xD

Well, luck is part of FF. I still feel like you may have had the "random insta-chain" syth ability on one of your chars w/o realizing it. It only requires 2 accessories to activate



"Dr. Tenma, according to you, lives are equal. That's why I live today. But you must have realised it by now...the only thing people are equal in is death"---Johann Liebert (MONSTER)

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler

dtewi on 21 March 2010
Carl2291 said:
dtewi said:
Pristine20 said:
dtewi said:
Considering she is much better at offense than magic, I don't see much point in leveling a weapon that utilizes magic. I mean, bring in Hope or Vanille. Seriously, would you rather have more damage done DURING or BEFORE stagger? And sure, she's the third best healer or whatever, but seriously, 3 Medics gets health up so quickly Magic stat doesn't matter that much.
 

light ends up with 1700 str and 1700 mag so she isnt better at either. her weapons also all have balanced stats except the 2 specialty ones (gladius for str and edged carbine for mag) so unless you specifically push her to one side, she'll stay balanced

If that's true, then the Gladius should be leveled up since it would give a bigger Str boost than the other weapon's Mag boost (I think).

Fully upraded...

Blaze Edge - Str: ~600 Mag: ~600

Edged Carbine - Str: ~200 Mag: ~700

Gladius - Str: ~700 Mag: ~200

Does she only have three weapons or something?

Hmmmm...... Blaze Edge is technically the best choice, but its individual stats aren't as high as the others.

I guess it depends which someone prefers, COM or RAV. I pick COM since I've already started upgrading Gladius. I only use RAV for chain building anway or if their Mag stats are higher than Str.



Kimi wa ne tashika ni ano toki watashi no soba ni ita

Itsudatte itsudatte itsudatte

Sugu yoko de waratteita

Nakushitemo torimodosu kimi wo

I will never leave you

lestatdark on 21 March 2010

Finally found out why I got that 5/5.

Turns out they can be pre-empted. The ones in Eden at least. You need to be perfectly aligned with the Gear on their back to be able to pull it off though



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