There are also 3 tiers of armor... I think the damage is good though. Spraying most guns and getting a couple hits isnt usually going to pwn anyone, it is part of the reason the game plays slower. Unless you can get a solid series of shots or hit a couple in the upper torso or a headshot, your just wasting ammo and giving away your position.

 The game is supposed to be this way, and some of us are happy it is.

 @Dolemit3 - I honestly doubt the price will hurt MAG, it is easily worth $60 to those of us who like it. I complain about companies wasting money and effort in a "tacked on, useless" single player in FPS games the same way many people complain about having crappy multiplayer tacked onto games where they arent needed in other genres.  The online component to MAG has so much more work, and infrastructure investment than a normal game that just "has multiplayer"... I really do not see it as a "lesser value" in any form or fashion. Rather I know all the effort was spent on the "real game" instead of working on something that will really only look good on the back of the box.

The first default gun shouldnt have to put more than 5 rounds into a heavy plated soldier before they drop. Of course spraying doesnt work, im not playing CoD im playing a 256 player,not fun, knock off. Listen MAG isnt bad its just not fun.

I played with 256 players and i couldnt tell it was 256 seemed like R2 had way more people going at it. 

You have fun playing your MAG,KZ2 and Gears where you shoot BB guns and it takes a ridiculous amount of bullets to bring someone down. (Tho im gonna rent mag lol )

A pal and I tried out the damage in a corner of the map where we both managed to get in, during the public beta.  It took 5 rounds to the chest to kill someone, with the default SVER assault rifle, and the opponent in heavy armor, although the 4th hit practically did the job.  It also took 5 rounds with the default Raven AR, which is supposed to be the weakest per-hit -- and expectedly, the 4th round didn't put them as close to death as the SVER rifle did.  If you shoot them in the arms or legs, it takes more hits (6, again with the tier 1 SVER AR, 7 with the Raven).  If you shoot them in the head, it takes less (1-2, seemed similar across factions).

It doesn't take very long to put 5-7 rounds into a slow-moving heavy armored opponent in MAG.  It doesn't take long to put 4-6 rounds, or 3-5, or whatever into lighter armored guys. They don't jump 10 feet in the air and run at 40mph like in other shooters.

I think you should rent the game Garnett, and give it another go, if you're a big shooter fan... although it sounds like you were determined to not like it, from the get-go.  Its not for everyone, it seems.

Well on Amazon Mass Effect 2 is #2 while MAG is #40. These positions have been similar each time I check.

Seems for whatever reason MAG did not get the hype Mass Efect 2 did...is it the graphics? This is even weirder since MAG is in the more popular genre (FPS).

Could this also give X360 a hardware sales boost or do you think it will not have much effect?

Can MS continue to deliver the more hyped titles in the first half of 2010 (Splinter Cell, Alan Wake, Crackdown 2) ,or will God of War 3 put a stop to this? Can this lead to 360 taking the USA hardware lead by a small amount on PS3 in the first half of 2010?

The beta isn't THAT bad.  You don't need to laugh at it.