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SamuelRSmith said:
Sorry if I missed the point I'm about to make, but I got bored reading all the complaints about this thread being in the wrong category.

Anyway, Sony really need to get Ericsson sorted, or completely spin it off and turn Vaio into a mobile product, Sony needs to get in the mobile game fast: the market will completely dominate handheld gaming, portable music players, and personal computers within the next decade, and Sony, along with Microsoft, need to pull their fingers out and actually jump on this bandwagon before it starts moving too fast.

I agree.. Vaio has good brand value.. SONY need to use that to their advantage.



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MDMAniac said:
ameratsu said:

My advice for Sony in this department:

1)  Put a 3.5mm headphone jack on all your music phones! Stop making me use the proprietary fastport or whatever to connect my headphones.

2)  Put out software to allow your phones to Sync with iTunes for both Windows and Mac. The third party software I used with my old w800 was flaky.

 

As if Apple allow them with no hesitation xD

 

Nokia has an app for Windows and Mac that allows users to sync their devices with iTunes flawlessly. While the interface is different than if you have an ipod (drag and drop), it still works very well. In options you can choose to sync either certain playlists or your even your entire library. Upon connecting your phone, you can have it sync automatically with those playlists, meaning it adds/deletes music, podcasts, and even encodes video for your specific phone according to your preferences without any user input.

You can also have it sync directly with iphoto. Similar to the third party app I used with my Sony w800, except that it's a much better program.

There are ways to do it without upsetting apple, like famousringo said.



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famousringo said:
Twistedpixel said:
dharh said:

They need to release an android phone or two. Get with the times.

Also RIM OS has had a couple bad quarters in north america. Their smart phone marketshare (the only one that matters) went from like 20% to 10%.

Look at the Windows Mobile OS %! They have lost 66% of their market share in less than a year! Im sure someone would delight in posting that in the Microsoft forum. I would post that if I felt like it, but im going to save it and wait for their financials.

Don't put too much stock in that graph. It's tracking ad requests recieved by AdMob, not actual usage or marketshare of mobile OSes. So it can give you an impression of where the market's going, but it may also be heavily biased towards certain platforms. iPhone and Android look way stronger here than they actually are, while RIM is heavily underrated.

It's also worth noting that AdMob just got bought up by Google.

That is true, and id want to see multiple sources to make a definitive claim that android and iphone are decimating the mobile OS market. However, all the momentum i've seen has been from android and iphone OS. None of my friends (all in the IT biz) care for RIM anymore. RIM is losing mindshare and momentum that I know for sure.



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dharh said:
famousringo said:

Don't put too much stock in that graph. It's tracking ad requests recieved by AdMob, not actual usage or marketshare of mobile OSes. So it can give you an impression of where the market's going, but it may also be heavily biased towards certain platforms. iPhone and Android look way stronger here than they actually are, while RIM is heavily underrated.

It's also worth noting that AdMob just got bought up by Google.

That is true, and id want to see multiple sources to make a definitive claim that android and iphone are decimating the mobile OS market. However, all the momentum i've seen has been from android and iphone OS. None of my friends (all in the IT biz) care for RIM anymore. RIM is losing mindshare and momentum that I know for sure.

This page tracks web usage of various operating systems. It's a pretty good indicator and less prone to bias, IMO:

http://marketshare.hitslink.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=8

I think that RIM represents a big chunk of that Java ME traffic, and not just that little Blackberry slice, but I'm not 100% clear on that. 0.03% just seems way too small for all the smartphones that RIM sells. RIM may not be exciting for us tech-heads, but they have good branding and promotions, cheap hardware, and a tight grip on business customers.

All the smartphone OSes have seen strong usage growth in the last year except WinMo, which is pretty much flat. It's still barely ahead of Android at this point, so Google's OS hasn't quite lived up to the hype just yet, despite all the mindshare amongst the tech-savvy.

AdMob's numbers were a good way to track where the money in the smartphone market is, it's just that now that they're owned by Google, you can expect them to start serving a disproportionate number of ads to Android, just as I expect Quattro will be serving more and more ads on iPhone.



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famousringo said:
dharh said:
famousringo said:
 

Don't put too much stock in that graph. It's tracking ad requests recieved by AdMob, not actual usage or marketshare of mobile OSes. So it can give you an impression of where the market's going, but it may also be heavily biased towards certain platforms. iPhone and Android look way stronger here than they actually are, while RIM is heavily underrated.

It's also worth noting that AdMob just got bought up by Google.

That is true, and id want to see multiple sources to make a definitive claim that android and iphone are decimating the mobile OS market. However, all the momentum i've seen has been from android and iphone OS. None of my friends (all in the IT biz) care for RIM anymore. RIM is losing mindshare and momentum that I know for sure.

This page tracks web usage of various operating systems. It's a pretty good indicator and less prone to bias, IMO:

http://marketshare.hitslink.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=8

I think that RIM represents a big chunk of that Java ME traffic, and not just that little Blackberry slice, but I'm not 100% clear on that. 0.03% just seems way too small for all the smartphones that RIM sells. RIM may not be exciting for us tech-heads, but they have good branding and promotions, cheap hardware, and a tight grip on business customers.

All the smartphone OSes have seen strong usage growth in the last year except WinMo, which is pretty much flat. It's still barely ahead of Android at this point, so Google's OS hasn't quite lived up to the hype just yet, despite all the mindshare amongst the tech-savvy.

AdMob's numbers were a good way to track where the money in the smartphone market is, it's just that now that they're owned by Google, you can expect them to start serving a disproportionate number of ads to Android, just as I expect Quattro will be serving more and more ads on iPhone.

If the site could show us mobile OSes without subscription it'd be a better chart, since we are talking about mobile OSes and this chart shows every OS. Id be interested in a real Java ME device breakdown but I know for a fact that Java ME includes alot of non-RIM devices. Having programmed in Java ME, traffic can be as innocuous as status updates for small weather devices and wouldn't be a real indicator that RIM dominates the mobile market.



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what a well thought out argument

 

Anyway I kinda see now that it is relevant to videogames now (kinda), its a shame as I always liked sony-ericsson phones and I hope they bounce back but the iphone is pretty much unbeatable right now



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Grimes said:
As far as the business end is concerned, Apple is the Nintendo of the cell phone world. It's making huge profits while the other companies are struggling. Every iPhone probably makes a couple hundred dollars of profit each. While a crappy prepay phone may make a dollar profit. Each is counted as a phone sale, but one iPhone sale can be as valuable as several hundred crappy phones.

actually it's nokia, with around 400 million phones sold each year 70-80% are smartphones.

they lost money last quarter but thats due siemens network, their phone division was profitable.



Xoj said:
Grimes said:
As far as the business end is concerned, Apple is the Nintendo of the cell phone world. It's making huge profits while the other companies are struggling. Every iPhone probably makes a couple hundred dollars of profit each. While a crappy prepay phone may make a dollar profit. Each is counted as a phone sale, but one iPhone sale can be as valuable as several hundred crappy phones.

actually it's nokia, with around 400 million phones sold each year 70-80% are smartphones.

they lost money last quarter but thats due siemens network, their phone division was profitable.

Profitable, but a 51% drop from the previous year. That is a massive decline in profitability. I would be the iPhone has a lot to do with it.



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